Lost: The world of misdirects and clues!

Trying to think ahead and see those misdirects coming is half the fun.

I kind of agree with your theory Stitch. If so it would be interesting to see how they pull it off re Kate.

While I know that a lot of you aren't interested in namesake theories, I've posted elsewhere that it is possible that Kate Austen's namesake is John Austin, whose main contribution to jurisprudence was command theory, which provides that law (and order) is possible because it issues from an absolute sovereign (standing above and outside the law) who can back the law up with punishment.

Kate seems to fit the role of sovereign. She is above the law (or she answers only to her law). And with regard to her on island relationships, there is always a little bit of distance between her and the person she is involved with.

And also re the twists and turns...here I am walking around with the idea that Kate's namesake is John Austin, and right before posting this I google "Kate Austin" to check the spelling of her last name, and I find this, the first hit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Austin !

Maybe this is why nobody seems to like namesake theories.

I think you are spot on, about Kate being the eventual leader. That was what was intended before they decided not to kill Jack in the Pilot. + 4,815,162,342

katesawjack wrote:I think you are spot on, about Kate being the eventual leader. That was what was intended before they decided not to kill Jack in the Pilot. + 4,815,162,342

Is this a fact or speculation? It does make sense that "someone else" was supposed to be the leader since Jack was supposed to die. I have alway had a question about that. Why would an established actor like Matthew Fox take a part in a show that only consisted of one episode? I am surprised he agreed to that.

blonde wrote:

katesawjack wrote:I think you are spot on, about Kate being the eventual leader. That was what was intended before they decided not to kill Jack in the Pilot. + 4,815,162,342

Is this a fact or speculation? It does make sense that "someone else" was supposed to be the leader since Jack was supposed to die. I have alway had a question about that. Why would an established actor like Matthew Fox take a part in a show that only consisted of one episode? I am surprised he agreed to that.

Blonde, I don't know, how widely known this is, but "Michael Keaton" was at first going to be on Lost as Jack, but he backed out when they told him the character was not going to be killed off in the Pilot episode.
So I guess Matthew Fox was hired after that.
I am not really sure where this information can be verified though? But I also did read that Kate was the intended leader before that change. I think it may have been on the Lost bible "Lostpedia".

Here is part of an interview about Michael Keaton being offered the part of "Jack Shephard" on Lost. There is also a video,if you go to the link,but you can barely hear what he is saying.

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1579979/20080121/story.jhtml

MTV: There was also talk that you were the initial choice to play Jack on "Lost." True?
Keaton: Yeah. J.J. [Abrams] called me and he said, "I know you don't want to do a television show but just hear me out." Here's what the idea was: He created this huge setup in the pilot episode with this guy who looks to be the lead or the hero. He has all those earmarks. And then all of a sudden he dies in the middle. I had to go think about it. And what happened was he went to [ABC] and said, "Here's how it works." And they said, "Nah." I think they read it and thought, "No, you've got to keep that guy alive." And then I was out of that.
MTV: They haven't come calling for a guest spot since?
Keaton: No! I didn't think about that! What's not to love [about me] now!

Wow.....great info KSJ!! Thanks for sharing. I had never heard any of that.

Again it shows the nature of the misdirects that the show is based on. You can imagine them advertising the series with a big name star such as Michael Keaton.

Everyone watching the first two hours would assume that of all the characters he would be safe, and then to have the shock value of him being killed of in episode 2, this would have a big impact on the show.

The producers like to get their audience to make assumptions then they go out of their way to make those assumptions wrong.

Can't quite swallow the idea of Kate being the actual future leader of the others...maybe Aaron, but not Kate. Though it is an interesting theory.
and one other minor nit-pick...

StitchExp626 wrote:
One of the best sequences was the keeping of Henry Gale as prisoner in the hatch. Never has been there been a more convincing portrayal of a man from Minnesota than that one. He seemed genuine, he drew a map to where his balloon was and after it looked like there was not going to be a balloon, then, big surprise, all of a sudden there was the big Smiley air balloon in a tree just as Henry Gale had said.

We expected at that point that Ana-Lucia, Sayid and Charlie would come back to the Hatch knowing that they were keeping a unfortunate but honest guy as a prisoner.

Then all of a sudden we learn that what we saw was not the whole picture and that this Henry Gale was not genuine and that he was definitely not who he claimed to be.

It is this surpise twists that are a key part of the show.
Stitch

I was not at all surprised to find out Ben was a bad guy.
And I don't think anyone else was who saw this scene:
Jack pulls a crazed Sayid away from Ben just after Sayid tried to shoot him. As the hatch door closes you see Ben looking at Sayid with a look of utter evil in his eyes. If you saw that, you knew Ben was a baddie!

and nobody on this planet was suprised to see patchy alive.


But still a very interesting theory

Ben at the breakfast table told Jack and Locke that "Wow, you guys have some real trust issues, don't you? Guess it makes sense she didn't tell you. I mean, with the two of you fighting all the time. Of course, if I was one of them -- these people that you seem to think are your enemies -- what would I do? Well, there'd be no balloon, so I'd draw a map to a real secluded place like a cave or some underbrush -- good place for a trap -- an ambush. And when your friends got there a bunch of my people would be waiting for them. Then they'd use them to trade for me. I guess it's a good thing I'm not one of them, huh? "

This made Henry Gale look very evil ... then we saw Ana-Lucia, Charlie and Sayid arriving at the spot on the map Henry drew. This spot was secluded with underbrush and sure enough no sign of any hot air balloon. I was worried that they were about to be ambushed. Ana-Lucia insists on searching just to make sure so that they could say they exhaustively searched the area but no balloon.

Then just as we are convinced that Henry was lying behold they discover a hot air balloon just as henry Gale described.

If that did not cause you to think that poor prisoner Henry Gale was telling the truth then I thinked the writers failed in their intention. Although it did fool me and this only added to the surprise whammy when Ana-Lucia, Sayid and Charlie returned, not with the story that Henry told the truth but with evidence that he lied.

In regards to Patchy, well nobody is an exaggeration, there was at least one person surprised ... me lol

Hey, I thought for sure that Patchy died at the fence, I was shocked as sh*t. I didn't mind that he was still alive at that point, but I hated that he somehow survived a harpoon to the chest. That, well, that bothered me.

JW, at least there was a trail of blood leading to the edge of the pool. What shocked me more was how healthy he looked while holding the grenade!

Oh, and where the hell did he get the grenade? Somehow, I doubt they would want explosives in an underwater submarine port... also, you are right, he didn't make any detours from the place he was shot to the moon pool. I guess he carries them with him all the time or maybe Miles time jumped and gave Patchy the one that was in his mouth....

saliva germs from Miles ... cringe

PS wish they had a cringe emoticon