Why Claire is Alive

I agree with Stitch and Occam. An average viewer forgets about a lot of things after a week or at most after a couple of months. A lot of details also don’t even seem important to an average viewer. e.g. Charlotte speaking Korean or Jack getting an appendix. It is us, the die hard fans of Lost, who search for details and notice every thing. I understand what AC is saying but let’s not forget that these things don’t sound so obvious to an average lost viewer. Not many lost viewers link paradox to Dan’s memory game.

So, yes, I think Stitch is right that this series didn’t have much for an average viewer. However, as AC pointed out it did have quite a few things for us die hard fans. In my opinion, the writers should try to keep a balance between these two and I hope to see this in the next series.

As for the theory on Clair not being dead, I still believe that Clair is dead. Dead as in Christian dead. Not sure if it is different but remember that for Christen Sheppard there was no body to be found. Same as Clair.
I don’t think Clair died in the blast though. She died when she met Christian and left with him, leaving Aaron behind. Miles, who has special abilities, maybe even sixth sense, knew that she is going to die, and hence his comment and weird looks. Katesawjack is right in that the Clair we saw in the cabin was very different than the Clair we knew before.

I am sure that when this is explained, it will be in a way that even an average viewer can also understand and accept. Just like what the constant episode did. An average viewer knows Christian is dead and still interacts with some the Losties. I am sure that if Clair’s death is explained well there would be no more confusion and disappointment by any one, even Amy.

Sami, Christian had a body. This one.

Also:

Episode 4.4 Eggtown - Dan and Charlotte play a memory game with cards where Dan's memory appears troublesome.

Episode 4.5 The Constant - Dan appears in Desmond's flashback, an event he doesn't remember, where Desmond remarks about how he doesn't protect his head from all the experiments he is doing. Dan also has a notebook of stuff he has forgotten about.

Episode 4.6 The Other Woman - Dan and Charlotte go to The Tempest where Charlotte discusses how Dan needs to remember what must be done to de-activate the toxin.

My point is that if people can't remember events from one episode to the next then that's nothing to do with the writers, and nor are they building stuff in for hardcore fans. That was week-on-week progression of Dan's memory issue.

I would be interested to know where the assumption that the average viewer is a casual viewer comes from. Not every viewer discusses theories on the net as we do, but i'm willing to bet the average viewer is not just "casual", but perhaps keep their theories and observations within their network of friends and family. Just a suggestion to throw out there

You might be right there SP. I guess I made sort of a false assumption that casual and average are the same.

I guess we make up a small percentage of "die-hard" fans. Then there is a large percentage of average fans. They watch every week and maybe have a few theories or ideas rolling around in their head that they discuss with family members, or other "average fans". Then I guess would come the remaining "casual fans", who watch the show, might even miss an episode here and there, and primarily watch for the action and drama, not the small details.

Ok, let's put it this way: LOST is not an easy show. It's not Friends --and, believe me, I loved that sitcom-- so the "average" viewer is bound to be different. Of course, someone who doesn't like "mind-puzzles" will drop LOST from S1E04 on.

But --oh, yes, there is always a "but"-- some people like answers, too. LOST is not giving that much in that front. So, what I call the "average viewer" is that kind of people who likes a good story, neat-and-clean, with no loose ends. Loose ends are good for a while, but this show has too many loose ends, and they are intertwined, so it's easy to lose interest.

Except for people like us, I guess. People who really like going into details. People with a plotting, conspiranoid mind ;-) That's not what I call "average".

Not that what I call "average viewer" cannot have their own opinions/theories about what is happening, of course they can. It's just I don't see them fretting about being right; if they are given a credible explanation, I think there's no need for them to be right about it.

In my opinion, an "average viewer" will easily forget details not because s/he has no brains. S/he will easily forget because s/he doesn't care. Because s/he wants the story to be told, not to be suppossed and later on proven for feasibility.

Does anyone remember the church Mr. Eko was bulding? What about it? It seemed big deal, at the time, right? He was working on it for several episodes, if I remember it well. Does anyone remember it?

No?

I'm guessing at least someone said 'no', and I think it's perfectly fine. That's because it had no impact whatsoever in the whole storyline. Of course, Eko's church may end up being a second example of "the cable Hurley found on the beach, yeah that one we forgot about until Season 3"...

I'm still waiting for Jack to form that army that he discussed with Ana Lucia to fight against The Others.

DUDE! You read my mind! I was thinking of that as an example of "we forgot something big"... and I forgot about it while I was typing!

And no, I'm not joking...

AngeloComet wrote:I'm still waiting for Jack to form that army that he discussed with Ana Lucia to fight against The Others.

HaHa. That will be Season 7. The Zombie Season.

All those little unanswered questions about the science team make us care about that character. Miles says 3.2 million and hears dead people, wtf? Charlotte finds a Dharma collar on a dead bear in the desert and now she is looking for her birthplace,wtf? Faraday has a strange relationship with Desmond, whos personal storyline has little to do with the 815'ers, and now they all missed their escape form the island before the wheel turn that Dan seemed to know would happen, wtf?

Hey, now we get three new on-island characters Sawyer can make knick-names for durring the whole next season. A red-head, a nerd, and an asian dude... Sawyers gonna have to start writing stuff down.

And on the Claire beastfeeding Aaron and Miles watching... Maybe he was astonished that Claire hadn't realized she was dead yet and was still trying to take care of the baby. He didn't give a hoot when Christian-spirit came by and Claire up and went away with him. Maybe he didn't stop her from going, because it was what she had to do, she had to accept that she was dead and go on.
Anyone watch that Ghosthunters on SciFi? Shows like that always have some "expert" that has to convince the spirit that it is dead and needs to pass on to the other side. Is that maybe what Miles did with Claire then?

Or,
CLAIRE: Yeah, a bit wobbly, but, uh, I'll live.
MILES: Well, I wouldn't be too sure about that.

Maybe that was a forshadowing of him knowing that she would die.

Letting a ghost carry off a baby though, that is a little too weird to rationalize, even in the LOST universe.

AC by no body was found for Christian I meant on the island. Remember when Jack went chasing around his vision (or whatever it
was)? He found the coffin but there was no body in it. And we never saw the body after that. I admit it was not a good analogy but anyways that's what I meant. No on island dead body!

Sami, fair enough. And I think it's relevant. The same thing happened for Yemi, too. His dead body was there, but then it went missing - and then Mr. Eko started getting visited by his 'brother'.

I still think Claire's not the same as these guys, though! She lives!

I agree AC. I know that we all went "right, Claire lived through that explosion", but then we all excepted she was alive because Sawyer picked her up and carried her to safety. Then just because Miles says some suspisious things we are all back to being suspicious ourselves. my problem is I don't really know squat about Miles. We all just assume that Miles can talk to dead people because of that scene in that house with the vent. To me he seems like a little pervert, just like Sawyer assumed when he caught Miles watching Claire breast feed. I am not saying the Miles can't see dead people, I am just saying that he can see alive people too!!

I agree with Hope, I think that there seems something very seedy about Miles. He is not a character that you would really want to have as your best friend. I agree that Sawyer was right and that he was having a perve on Claire.

I wonder if he really does talk to dead people as he claims or is there some other 'trick' behind what he does.

If we examine all the occurrences where he talks to 'dead people'

The drug dealer in the drug dealer's bedroom.
Naomi's dead body
Danielle and Karl's dead body

In each of these instances he seemed to gain some knowledge that it appeared that he could not really have had.

However, he seems to be able to perform the same trick though with people that are alive

His first meeting with Kevin Johnston as Michael was boarding the freighter in Fiji.
His meeting with Benjamin Linus.
His conversation with Kate about what he knows about her history.
His conversation with Charlotte.

I think that maybe instead of an ability to talk to the dead, he has the ability to see the past and or the future.

I think that in the drug dealer's room, his talking and his ghostbuster style born again vaccuum cleaner were just fake gimmicks to trick the grandmother and to hide his real skill.

An Aside:

People have commented on how the photographs are different on the stairwell from the time that Miles goes upstairs until he comes downstairs. I think that this may have been the result of Desmond's turning the failsafe key. I have a sense that by going back to the past he created a ripple effect that caused some small changes to take place.

I also wonder why they showed Des meeting Charlie in London. Is it at all possible that this meeting created a paradox for the future; a future where Charlie is alive on the island BUT also alive off the island because his future was changed by that meeting with Des. Maybe that might explain why Charlie can be with Hurley and also be dead at the same time.

Stitch

"I think that maybe instead of an ability to talk to the dead, he has the ability to see the past and or the future."

Wow Stitch! I really like this. I was never comfortable with the idea of Miles talking to the dead. I just don't like to see Lost going to that direction. And now you've given me some hope. The sixth sense thing that i was talking about in my earlier comment could also be explained this way. that psychic that Clair talked to could possibly also see the future. that's why he made Clair board that plane.

AC: good point about Mr. Eko.

I hate to say but I still think Clair is dead. She was alive when she was with Sawyer and Miles but then she died a Christian shepherd death, with corpse missing, and ended up in the cabin. Miles able to see the future knew that she is going to die soon and hence said "I wouldn't be so sure of that" when Clair said "I'm a bit wobbly, but I'll live".

I think this would make perfect sense to average viewers when explained.