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Topic: All things considered, will Ben's ultimate goal (his endgame) be for good or for evil?

Or put in a a debate format:

Resolved: Ben's ultimate end will be a just and virtuous end.

Ok...so we don't know what his end is. That's what I like about this though.

Each Debater gets to convince us of Ben's real end, and then gets to argue whether or not it's a moral end (which may or may not be self-evident). Then, each one can attack the other for (i) the formulation of the end, and/or (ii) the justification/attack of that end.

Hi Igs, good to see you around again. It seems like you like the debate section.

Indeed. I think this goes back to my nerdy LD days (Lincoln-Douglas debate) in high school.

I want a debate with some teeth!!!!

I need to get around to the big theories section....I'm sure there is a brilliant theory laying out the basic framework of Lost just waiting to blossom in my head...all I need to do is organize my random insights in some sensible and compelling way. Of course, I have been thinking this for 4 seasons now, but c'est la vie, I have to keep the faith I guess.

BTW...I like the Pink Floyd shout out you got there.

Thanks, I think I might change it soon. Any suggestions?

"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands ..."

Oh sorry. Didn't mean to put salt in that wound.

To be honest, I think each person has to choose their own quotes carefully. Therefore, I politely recuse myself. Ok ... I'm not that serious about it, but there is just so much to choose from. I think I best leave it up to you. Unless of course, you just stumbled on the next debate topic.

Resolved: THS should change his quote.

Either way, the good news is now you have me thinking about getting my own quote, and I already have an idea!!!!!

Trial post --- trying to see if my quote comes up.

Got the quote. Stitch hooked it up.

Igs wrote:Resolved: Ben's ultimate end will be a just and virtuous end.

Question IGS,
How does one define "just and Virtuous?" Good and virtuous for whom? Need a more concrete question like "Will Ben's ultimate goal end in the death of the Losties? or something like that

Ok, since we have time, I will throw out a debate challenge.

1) Is Sun right to blame Jack for Jin's death (assuming he is the other person she blames besides her dad). I would say no.

2) Is the information given in the podcasts, or any other information given by the producers reliable? I would say no.

3) Did the writers have a plan for the series all along or were they making it up as they went? I would say they made it up as they went.

Sorry Guys, count me out of this debate. I'm on holiday from tomorrow for a week.

Well, enjoy your holiday. Where are you going?

Lanzarotti (sp?) in the canary islands. I've tried to learn a bit of Spanish for the trip (Haven't I Nino, ) but I'll still get lost probably. It's supposed to be boiling down there though, and the hottest place I've ever been is Italy in June, so I don't know if I'll survive a week there. And after that I can enjoy 4 more weeks of no-school. Hopefully I can get through four seasons of lost!

TheHolyStickman wrote:Lanzarotti (sp?) in the canary islands.

Make that "Lanzarote", thank you very much

TheHolyStickman wrote:I've tried to learn a bit of Spanish for the trip (Haven't I Nino, ) but I'll still get lost probably.

Dude, it's not as if you were boarding an Oceanic flight... you aren't, right?

TheHolyStickman wrote:It's supposed to be boiling down there though, and the hottest place I've ever been is Italy in June, so I don't know if I'll survive a week there.

Dude, boiling? Sure not. Always spring in the Canary Islands...

I'm not used to the hot weather though, Occam. As I said beforee the hottest place I've ever been is Italy.