Sarah Palin

MSHL said...

Quite frankly, if a woman was going to be in the position to possibly be the President, I'd say that Palin is the wrong woman of the two available this year! WAY WRONG!

If your argument is that Palin doesn't have enough experience to be VP then you are on shaky ground my friend. Is it better to have a President or VP who is still wet behind the ears? Think about it.

At least Palin has some experience actually governing as opposed to the Obamamessiah. Many of the Presidents we have elected in recent history have been governors for precisely that reason. The last senator elected was Nixon. Now we have two running for office.

I'm surprised the Main Stream Media and democrats (same difference) are using the inexperience argument. I think she's an excellent choice and is the true embodiment of "change" as opposed to Joe Biden who epitomizes business as usual - horrible pick for Obama, horrible.

I think the choices of each candidate balances both sides out now with the slight edge going to the GOP...

Democrats = Inexperienced candidate for President and life long politician for VP.
Republicans = Experienced candidate for President and inexperienced choice for VP.

I'll choose experienced President thank you. What does the VP do anyway?

But I won't sweat it Obama manages to get elected because hey, I know he can always call George Clooney or Oprah Winfrey at 3:00 AM in the morning if he needs advice right?

MyStarbuckHatesLost wrote:Blonde,
Let's talk about history.
Weren't you "liberated" when a woman was an inch away from being a Presidental candidate?

Quite frankly, if a woman was going to be in the position to possibly be the President, I'd say that Palin is the wrong woman of the two available this year! WAY WRONG!

No, I wasn't. I was embaressed actually. Apparently the majority of America agrees with me. Apparenty your boy, Barry, agrees with me. Apparently, top Democratic advisors agree with me. Listen, I could go all day on this with guys. Here is what it comes down to. I am the only female Republican on this site and I am not going to spend the next 2 months trying to defend myself, much less convert a group of far-left, independent (sure), and those of you who just like to argue.

I could wear your asses out on this....and it wouldn't make a bit of difference, so I may go on radio silence until November. For the record, I am proud of Sarah Palin because of what she accomplished and how far she has come ON HER OWN. She wasn't groomed to be in Politics or Washington, she took it on herself because it mattered to her. She does what she says she is going to do...do your research on her. Sure, I am a pro-life, troop-suppporting, death-penalty cheering, small-tax loving, minorly energy-conscious soccer mom who is against same-sex marriarge, but love same-sex couples. You could certainly argue that Mcain was hitting the ball to "my demographic" so we will hit it out of the park for him.

I will not debate that yesterday was an important day for me & my daughters. A wonderful woman was nominated to be the VP of the USA. She is a "heartbeat away from being the President of our AWESOME country." If your best arguement is that she is "inexperienced", I would have to remind you that if the Democratic nominee for PRESIDENT gets elected an inexperienced candidate would be less than a "heart beat away". There he would be.

Sham, I think we out to run away together.

blonde wrote:Sham, I think we out to run away together.

LOL! I have a better idea Blonde. Let's stay here and support each other. In other words, please don't go! I had a feeling this post was going to get a little heated and it's because a lot of people missed the point of it.

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I think we can all agree that both parties should be excited and proud of our country. As KSJ pointed out, this is an election cycle of firsts and we should all be grateful that we live in a country where this is possible.

Everyone has a right to their opinions even if they are wrong and we can all, I hope, discuss and debate these issues as adults. The alternative is to make discussing politics verboten (prohibited by dictate) but it would suck to go that route wouldn't it?

You may have all noticed that there is no section for politics on this site. This was deliberate and done for precisely this reason. I suppose that this was as inevitable as things of an adult nature being posted. My money is on religion or race to be the next hot button issue.

The point is that these issues are part of life, they will come up in discussions, and we are all human and have our opinions, but that doesn't mean we can't all play nice right?
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Addendum:

OK, after rereading all the comments I see that this has actually been a very good natured discussion so you have all been "playing nice" and I stand pleasantly corrected! (guess it pays to read)

But let me get this straight Blonde, you are actually upset because you are being handled with kid gloves and no one is really hammering you over it!? You are itching for a fight? LMAO! I'll never understand women!

blonde wrote:

MyStarbuckHatesLost wrote:Blonde,
Let's talk about history.
Weren't you "liberated" when a woman was an inch away from being a Presidental candidate?

Quite frankly, if a woman was going to be in the position to possibly be the President, I'd say that Palin is the wrong woman of the two available this year! WAY WRONG!

I am the only female Republican on this site

I am also a McCain supporter Blonde. I came here to discuss LOST. I was brought up that one does not discuss Religion or Politics in conversation. It invariably will lead to discord.

Enough said on my part. Anyone wanting to talk about LOST please do.

I've read this twice to see if I missed something. Blonde, who pissed you off on this site? It looked like an intelligent sharing of ideas. Now it's kind of uncomfortable.

Cosmic, I'm with you.

CJ:
Last time I checked this was Jax site and she encourages us to discuss all sorts of topics including Politics. No one is holding a gun to your head. If you don't want to discuss politics then I suggest not opening a topic titled "Sarah Palin". Let alone reading & commenting. There are plenty of LOST-related topics to choose from.....go there.
Tracker:
I am not uncomfortable. I don't think any of us are. If it is uncomfortable for you, remove yourself from the discussion. I respect you 100 percent and if you don't like the discussion I don't blame you from walking away. That is what I do when I am "uncomfortable"
Sham, MSHL, CF, KSJ, JW, Vinnie, MollyC, AC, SAOY, SP, Stich, and many others enjoy this discussion and can have it without hard feelings and have many times before and I love them all to death.

CJ wrote:

I am also a McCain supporter Blonde. I came here to discuss LOST. I was brought up that one does not discuss Religion or Politics in conversation. It invariably will lead to discord.

True, this is mainly a site devoted to LOST but there are many other sections here that don't pertain to the show. Anyone is welcome to use or not use those sections.

Tracker wrote:

I've read this twice to see if I missed something. Blonde, who pissed you off on this site? It looked like an intelligent sharing of ideas. Now it's kind of uncomfortable.

I think you may have misinterpreted Blonde as I did the first go round. I believe she is looking for a political debate and miffed because she didn't get one so she isn't mad at an individual rather a situation (correct me if I am wrong Blonde).

Again, I'll refer to my prior post... This is precisely why there are no sections devoted to religion and politics. It's easy enough to misread a person's true intent when they post something mundane and even easier when it involves touchy subject matter because emotions come into play.

Remember, no one is required to comment on a topic. If it makes you uncomfortable or you can't post a reply without anger or name calling then avoid it altogether.

Maybe there could be a section created called the "mosh pit" where people can just duke it out over any topic they want with the caveat that if they decide to jump in, then they can't come crying to the owner or moderators when things get rough.

Now I only heard this on Bill Maher the other night, but has anyone else heard that McCain never even met her in person before he picked her as VP? It’s said he spoke to her once two years ago over the phone while she was at an Alaskan state fair or some junk.
And before she was governor of Alaska, she was Mayor of a town of 7000 people. And I’m sorry, but what else is there to do in Alaska but distribute the checks from the oil companies and keep moose off the street at "rush hour" when Fred and Bill have to drive down the road at the same time?

It’s great that a woman is being nominated as VP. I think Hillary getting so close was great. I have a 3 year old daughter, so yes I do give a *%&@. But I can't take it seriously. It’s all pander. The only thing that would have made her choice for Repub.VP more commercially perfect was if she was also a minister, so she could reel in the Jesus freaks along with the gun lovers.
Craig Ferguson said it best the other night on Real Time; “…I really hope American women aren’t dumb enough to vote for her just because she has boobs too.”

Lateralus wrote:“…I really hope American women aren’t dumb enough to vote for her just because she has boobs too.”

What an innapropriate, insulting, and ignorant statement.

They all pander. Both sides are looking for votes. It's called politics. Obama chose Biden to make up for his lack of experience in foreign policy and about everything else. My view is that both parties are driving us sheeple over the cliff... the difference being that the Right is going the speed limit and the Left has it floored.

As far as experience goes, Palin isn't running for the highest office in the land. She has a governing record (something Obama doesn't have) of fighting corruption in her own political party while Obama entrenched himself in the Chicago political machine. Here is a piece on the contrast in experience both brings to the table. The fact that she less concerned about making friends and more concerned about doing the right thing is refreshing.

During the DNC people finally got some crumbs in terms of what the slogan "Change" really means and the Dems again proved the adage that the more things "change", the more they stay the same. Their idea of "change" is mainly about redistribution of wealth (socialism at best, communism at worst) and that government knows best in deciding how you live your life.

I plan on voting for real change.

Nice pic Blonde.

I'm guessing no one will actually click on the link i provided so I'll post the piece here:

What Palin does for McCain, and to Obama
posted at 11:20 am on August 29, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

With multiple media outlets confirming now that Governor Sarah Palin will indeed join the Republican ticket as John McCain’s running mate, McCain has clearly chosen to play offense rather than defense. Instead of a safe choice, such as closest runner-up Mitt Romney or genial Everyman Tim Pawlenty, McCain took some risk with a relative newcomer to national politics. Palin will inject risk, excitement, controversy, and an unexpected historic note to the Republican convention.

First, though, let’s assess the risk. Palin has served less than two years as Governor of Alaska, which tends to eat into the experience message on which McCain has relied thus far. At 44, she’s younger than Barack Obama by three years. She has served as a mayor and as the Ethics Commissioner on the state board regulating oil and natural gas, for a total of eight years political experience before her election as governor. That’s also less than Obama has, with seven years in the Illinois legislature and three in the US Senate.

However, the nature of the experience couldn’t be more different. Palin spent her entire political career crusading against the political machine that rules Alaska — which exists in her own Republican party. She blew the whistle on the state GOP chair, who had abused his power on the same commission to conduct party business. Obama, in contrast, talked a great deal about reform in Chicago but never challenged the party machine, preferring to take an easy ride as a protegé of Richard Daley instead.

Palin has no formal foreign-policy experience, which puts her at a disadvantage to Joe Biden. However, in nineteen months as governor, she certainly has had more practical experience in diplomacy than Biden or Obama have ever seen. She runs the only American state bordered only by two foreign countries, one of which has increasingly grown hostile to the US again, Russia.

And let’s face it — Team Obama can hardly attack Palin for a lack of foreign-policy experience. Obama has none at all, and neither Obama or Biden have any executive experience. Palin has almost over seven years of executive experience.

Politically, this puts Obama in a very tough position. The Democrats had prepared to launch a full assault on McCain’s running mate, but having Palin as a target creates one large headache. If they go after her like they went after Hillary Clinton, Obama risks alienating women all over again. If they don’t go after her like they went after Hillary, he risks alienating Hillary supporters, who will see this as a sign of disrespect for Hillary.

For McCain, this gives him a boost like no other in several different ways. First, the media will eat this up. That effectively buries Obama’s acceptance speech and steals the oxygen he needs for a long-term convention bump. A Romney or Pawlenty pick would not have accomplished that.

Second, Palin will re-energize the base. She’s not just a pro-life advocate, she’s lived the issue herself. That will attract the elements of the GOP that had held McCain at a distance since the primaries and provide positive motivation for Republicans, rather than just rely on anti-Democrat sentiment to get them to the polls.

Third, and I think maybe most importantly, Palin addresses the energy issue better and more attuned to the American electorate than maybe any of the other three principals in this election. Even beyond her efforts to reform the Oil and Natural Gas Commission, she has demonstrated her independence from so-called “Big Oil” while promoting domestic production. She brings instant credibility to the ticket on energy policy, and reminds independents and centrists that the Obama-Biden ticket offers nothing but the same excuses we’ve heard for 30 years.

Finally, based on all of the above, McCain can remind voters who has the real record of reform. Obama talks a lot about it but has no actual record of reform, and for a running mate, he chose a 35-year Washington insider with all sorts of connections to lobbyists and pork. McCain has fought pork, taken real political risks to fight undue influence of lobbyists, and he picked an outsider who took on her own party — and won.

This is change you can believe in, and not change that amounts to all talk. McCain changed the trajectory of the race today by stealing Obama’s strength and turning it against him. Obama provided that opening by picking Biden as his running mate, and McCain was smart enough to take advantage of the opening.

Shamballa wrote:I'm guessing no one will actually click on the link i provided so I'll post the piece here:

I was going to suggest that Shamorama. LOL.

blonde wrote:

Lateralus wrote:“…I really hope American women aren’t dumb enough to vote for her just because she has boobs too.”

What an innapropriate, insulting, and ignorant statement.

I think it's safe to say American women are smart enough to make an educated choice Mr. Ferguson.

It's bad enough that American celebrity air-heads feel compelled to put in their two cents let alone a comedian who received his citizenship on Feb. 1st, 2008!