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Is Jacob really there? - EP 12

Post by SomeArztOnYou on Sun May 18, 2008 3:07 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but so far, no one we know has even seen Jacob. We thought we did when Locke first visited the cabin and saw his silhouette in the chair, but we've now met that guy - Horace. It was presumably Horace's eye Hurley saw when he first stumbled upon the cabin, too. (Little side note there - Horace is a homonym of Horus - the all seeing eye - heh.) Okay, so anyway, does Jacob even exist, and if he does, can anyone living really ever see him/communicate with him? Maybe Horace and Christian (and Claire?) can relay messages from Jacob since they can actually reach him now. Or is Jacob just an idea? Could he be just an imaginary figure-head? Could sitting in that cabin expecting to see Jacob be like expecting Godot to show up?
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Re: Is Jacob really there? - EP 12

Post by eda on Sun May 18, 2008 3:19 pm

[quote="SomeArztOnYou"](Little side note there - Horace is a homonym of Horus - the all seeing eye - heh.) quote]

Hey I didn't know that Surprised

I personally like the idea that Jacob is some kind of a ghost who uses dead bodies to communicate with the living.
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Re: Is Jacob really there? - EP 12

Post by SomeArztOnYou on Sun May 18, 2008 3:31 pm

It just seems odd that there would be a ghost on the Island that only ghosts can see, unless that's just how he wants it - he won't reveal himself to the living.
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Post by StitchExp626 on Sun May 18, 2008 4:52 pm

Very Happy I am inclined to think that Jacob is not going to turn out to be a person. I think that he is some sort of an ideal or code of living!

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Re: Is Jacob really there? - EP 12

Post by GaryOC on Sun May 18, 2008 6:35 pm

I would have to disagree with you here my friend. The person sitting in the chair when Locke first visited the cabin certainly wasn't Horace to the best of my knowledge. If you pause the dvd just as "Jacob" appears it is an older bearded guy who bears no resemblance to Horace whatsoever. I believe Jacob will be revealed as a person rather than a spirit/entity and i also believe it will be a character we all know and the cliffhanger at the end of this season may have something to do with the revelation of who he actually is.
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Re: Is Jacob really there? - EP 12

Post by SomeArztOnYou on Sun May 18, 2008 6:48 pm

Or maybe Jacob is almost like a position to be filled. Horace was Jacob, then Alpert recruited Ben to take his place, and now Locke will be taking over as Jacob (and maybe Aaron or Walt in the future). Okay, just grasping for straws now.
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Re: Is Jacob really there? - EP 12

Post by l337Jacqui on Sun May 18, 2008 7:27 pm

I believe Jacob is a real thing, I'm just unsure on who he is.

However, I don't think Ben can see/hear him anymore. I don't think he could even see/hear him that first time he showed Locke the cabin. Ben's face seemed genuinely unsure what Locke was talking about when Locke asked "What did you say?" Ben didn't even hear anything. He couldn't hear Jacob. I think he wanted Locke to think he could, but in reality, Ben cant anymore.

I think this whole time the others were hoping Locke was the reincarnate of Jacob. That's why they were all so fascinated with him when he first came to their camp

Ohhh I could go on forever lol...
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Re: Is Jacob really there? - EP 12

Post by TheHolyStickman on Mon May 19, 2008 12:43 am

What like Big Brother from 1984. Man I would be so annoyed if we never saw Jacob, but it is a very plauable idea.
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Re: Is Jacob really there? - EP 12

Post by SunburnedPenguin on Mon May 19, 2008 1:04 am

I think he like the man behind the curtain in wizard of Oz - there are enough references to it. Perhaps once we do find out the truth about him we will see he is just an ordinary man with some clever tricks!

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Re: Is Jacob really there? - EP 12

Post by JimReaper on Mon May 19, 2008 2:52 am

I'm going with the idea that Jacob is a spirit. Not a ghost though, one thing I don't want from Lost is another ghost story.

I think "Jacob" is a force, the spirit of the island and he is able to influence the both physical word and individuals on a psychic level, hence the creepy but informative dreams a lot of the Losties have.

I think he conjures up apparations to manipulate his subjects, in Claires case he used Christian Shepard.
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Re: Is Jacob really there? - EP 12

Post by Smokette on Sat May 31, 2008 6:40 am

I think Jacob is a computer program.
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Re: Is Jacob really there? - EP 12

Post by AngeloComet on Sat May 31, 2008 10:04 am



Locke saw this guy. This guy, for me, is the bona fide Jacob.
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Re: Is Jacob really there? - EP 12

Post by MollyCocktail on Sat May 31, 2008 5:18 pm

AngeloComet wrote:

Locke saw this guy. This guy, for me, is the bona fide Jacob.

And while I still feel confident the Jacob is Magnus Hanso, I must now concede the possibility that he could be John Locke.
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Re: Is Jacob really there? - EP 12

Post by l337Jacqui on Sat May 31, 2008 6:08 pm

I've always thought Locke from the very beginning, but that specific person right there isn't Locke. I head they just used a stand-in though? So it could end up being Locke in the end.

Also, in that episode where Richard was testing little Locke, I believe he was trying to find the re-incarnation of Jacob. So, actually, I suppose Jacob could look nothing like Locke in the end, and it could still be his "soul" of a past life on the island.

I'll stick with that one Neutral
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Re: Is Jacob really there? - EP 12

Post by solarchap on Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:02 pm

that is definitely what Locke saw, but the Red Dwarf episodes 'Camille' & 'Psirens; have always stuck in my head regarding Jacob.

'Camille': Each person saw this entity/life-form uniquely differently, the entity appeared to four of them as the thing they most desired, with humorous results.

'Psirens': Mind-manipulating Insectoid things appear to people as sexy-women, celebrities...disarming their victims with their mind control, then sucking their brains out!

So! We have only ever 'seen' Jacob from Locke's point of view, and whilst I have no doubt that the picture we all know and love. is Lockes 'view', you have to admit, it doesn't necessarily mean that IS Jacob.

We don't know enough about Jacob to know that it is or is not him, and I am open to the view that he may appear differently to different people.

If I wanted to manipulate and control people, to coerce and to suggest to them, and I had the power to appear in many forms, I think I would use peoples emotions, fears, stereotypes, and desires to do the job!
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Re: Is Jacob really there? - EP 12

Post by Lojozz on Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:14 pm

SC nice Red Dwarf refs and I think there is merit, or at least I would if the person Locke saw had any bearing on the back story we have seen for him.
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Re: Is Jacob really there? - EP 12

Post by Lateralus on Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:08 pm

I don't think we have seen Jacob yet. I get the feeling that Ben has seen him and knows what he looks like and would have known that Christian wasn’t him. I think Claire was in the cabin in that scene to make John wary of what was going on. Claire definitely was not herself and he recognized that. He didn’t even question what she was doing in this magic cabin. He just took the orders from the guy that called himself in charge, because he is so eager to unravel the next mystery in his life, and just assumed they came from Jacob.
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