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Post by Lost_Dbutz on Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:17 pm

This theory touches a lot of topics that have been
discussed, but I think it explains some of the islandís properties better than
Iíve read in other theories. If it
sounds familiar, please let me know what theory you refer to. It has been inspired by Anomoly from LT.com,
yet is still completely different.





Faraday's law of induction states that "The magnitude of an emf (electro
magnetic field - or just think of it as voltage) induced in a circuit equals
the time rate of change of the magnetic flux through the field."





One thing that makes sense is that the island is surrounded
by its own emf, like the one in this picture:





http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/imgmag/bar.gif





The earth has its own emf that blocks out nuclear winds,
creating aurora borealis (northern
lights). Each magnet has its own emf
around it, and so does the island, because it is a big magnet.





Faraday used these concepts to create motors, generators and
transformers. He knew that if he had 2
out of three elements, he could create the third. The three elements are motion, magnetism and
current. A generator is using motion and
magnetism to create current. A motor
uses current and magnetism to create motion.






With motion, we also bring in constants and variables
regarding time, speed and acceleration.
The variables of speed or acceleration of the motion will determine the
variables of current and magnetism. This
is known as motional emf. Note that a
change in the polarity of motion will create a change in the polarity of
current. With this, I would assume that
if Ben had turned the donkey wheel the other direction, he and the island would
have been sent to the past instead of the future.





Now at this point we know that the island can move, and if
the island is a big magnet, it creates a current when it moves, and who knows
where this current goes. Oh wait, the
island has a huge amount of energy stored up, like in the Tempest station,
interesting.





Faradayís law involves describing an induced emf as a
derivative of the magnetic flux with respect to time. This is a tough one to explain, unless you
have some knowledge of calculus and know what a derivative is, but what it
means is 3 things:




1) The
magnitude of the magnetic field can change with time.


2) The
area enclosed by the field can change with time.


3) The
angle of axis between the magnetic field and normal field can change with time.




It seems that in the process of moving the island, Ben
has reversed the polarity of this principle.
Ben moved the angle of axis of the field, which changed the field, which
changes the area enclosed by the field, which changed the time.
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Re: Motional EMF and the Polar Bear wheel

Post by SunburnedPenguin on Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:06 pm

Wow thats really interesting.

So, do you think that "The Incident" Dharma refer to could have been the Island being moved previously.....perhaps even accidentally...and the energy was stored up and had to be vented every 108 minutes...hence the purple sky when the hatch imploded was the release of this energy?

That would make perfect sense to me and tie your theory to a lot of other unanswered questions.

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Post by chirpey1987 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:14 pm

This fits nicely, you wrote this theory really well even i understood it well done Very Happy
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Post by TheHolyStickman on Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:47 pm

After reading a second time and asking a few questions to my brother, who is currently doing A-level physics, I think I understand it. The island is like an electo magnestic field and your saying all the variables and things that could happen to the island. If this is wrong could please explain to me what you just said. lol!
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Post by Caged_Faraday on Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:12 pm

Lost_Dbutz, I turn over the Physics Geek crown to you. Fantastic theory. It even makes the donkey wheel as a mechanism make sense.

So do you think the donkey wheel was mechanical... simply geared to the magnetic object, flipping it over literally. Or do you envision something a bit more psuedo-scientific or even mystical (as evidenced by the yellowy glow)?

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Post by TheHolyStickman on Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:31 pm

I thought you'd like it CagedF. Do you and LostD know each other.
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Re: Motional EMF and the Polar Bear wheel

Post by Lost_Dbutz on Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:50 am

No, THS, I don't know CagedF personally, but any self proclaimed geek is alright by me. Also, when I said emf is electro-magnetic-field, I meant electro-motive-field.

CagedF, it's hard to fully describe this in a way that makes perfect sense, but I think it is both of what you mentioned. I think the fact that we have such extraordinary magnetic anomolies on the island is due to something pseudo-scientific and mystical, even spiritual.

There is no-doubt an ancient history to the island, and I think that the earlier inhabitants managed to worship the gods and become favored by them. These gods are part of the reason one is able to manipulate the variable of time (which is usually a constant). Part of this involved reversing the polarity of exotic matter, making it negatively charged. This made gravity and all other forces and fields reverse polarity, increasing the Casimir effect on the island.

The wheel is merely a mechanical device that was made on an ancient stone connected to the central energy point on the island. The ancient stone was given to the early inhabitants by the gods, to keep the island moving and safe from the outside world and maintain their pure and simple ways of life. It is connected to huge magnets under the island.

I think that the incident is sort of connected to this. My theory of the incident is that Dharma tried digging too far deep into the island and they tapped into part of its central energy point. This caused magnetic fields to leak and the DI had to scramble to put metal objects and cement over the hole, to plug it up. The DI created the Swan station and a huge capacitor device to discharge the energy build up that was created as a result of the incident. It had to be discharged every 108 minutes.

Now if anyone knows what a capacitor is, it's an electronic device that stores energy between conductors. Think of it as a big tank that holds water, but instead of water, it is holding energy. When a tank is opened at the bottom, there is a current of water. Likewise, when the capacitor is opened, there is a current of electrons that flow out. A conductor is anything that will conduct electricity, and metal is a conductor.

In a capacitor, there is a dielectric between the conductors. A dielectric is a non-conducting substance, meaning that it does not allow electrons to flow through it. I think that the ground of the island is a perfect dielectric. The ground of the island has to be such a good dielectric that it will keep the people on it safe from the central energy core inside.

By building the stations, the DI was putting conductors into the ground. Since the ground was such a good dielectric, it created a huge underground capacitor between the swan station and the pearl station. The DI realized what they had done and implemented a device that would release this energy from the swan every 108 minutes. Think of standing inside the plate of a huge underground capacitor, that would be intense, probably why people went crazy down in them hatches.

Anyways, the failsafe switch was set up to release a large amount of energy if the capacitor was not discharged, but it causes the Swan station to evaporate, which also destroys the capacitor. That is why we don't have to worry about pushing the button to release the energy anymore.

Holy cow, I really went off on that one, but I think I figured out some good stuff. What do you all think?
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Post by TheHolyStickman on Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:54 am

Very Good LostDbutz I liked that better than your actual theory. And I understood most of that as well!!
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Post by Fate on Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:26 pm

Really good man! Very Happy
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Post by Caged_Faraday on Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:23 pm

We're almost ready for Unified Quntum Island Theory. We just need Steve Hawking to start an account. He's better with String Theory than I am.

Nonetheless, you're beyond "onto something", and full on into "if next season prooves you wrong, you've done a better job writing than the writers".

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Post by Lost_Dbutz on Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:53 am

Thanks guys, I appreciate all of the kind feedback.

I agree caged, we'll get Hawking working on this with us in no time.

BTW, what is your background in physics? Did you take any classes, get a degree or just read on it because it's interesting?

I'm an electrical engineer, so I got to talk about a lot of this stuff in class.
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Post by Caged_Faraday on Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:06 am

Lost_Dbutz wrote:Thanks guys, I appreciate all of the kind feedback.

I agree caged, we'll get Hawking working on this with us in no time.

BTW, what is your background in physics? Did you take any classes, get a degree or just read on it because it's interesting?

I'm an electrical engineer, so I got to talk about a lot of this stuff in class.
At one time, many years, and 5 majors ago, I was working on a degree in High Energy Nuclear Particle Physics. Well, the degree would have just been BA-Physics, but that was my concentration. I abandonned it for a number of reasons, chief of which was what does one do with such a degree? So, yeah, I've taken reasonably advanced Physics courses (many years ago), plus it's just been a major interest forever, so I read whatever comes my way.

The original article that got me interested in the first place was in Time, in the 80's, called "The Search for Top" on quarks. I don't know if one could find a copy of that article today.

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Post by CosmicJewels on Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:41 am

[quote="Caged_Faraday"]
Lost_Dbutz wrote:

The original article that got me interested in the first place was in Time, in the 80's, called "The Search for Top" on quarks. I don't know if one could find a copy of that article today.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,980674-3,00.html

Could this be it?
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Post by Caged_Faraday on Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:04 am

CosmicJewels wrote:
Caged_Faraday wrote:
The original article that got me interested in the first place was in Time, in the 80's, called "The Search for Top" on quarks. I don't know if one could find a copy of that article today.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,980674-3,00.html

Could this be it?
Alas, no. That's about 8 years later, after they found Top Quark. Still an interesting find. Thank you. I will enjoy reading that one. But the one I first read was when Top was only theoretical. I'll have to see how far back the Time online archive goes.

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