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Post by solarchap on Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:41 pm

If optical illusions tell me that my neurological & optical perception of reality are at best, incomplete, then how can hallucinations (visual or auditory) be defined as something unreal because they are based on no stimuli?

But the stimuli which make me perceive optical illusions define my reality by representing an UNREAL reality, yet that stimuli is defined as being real.

What is cooking there then !?!!?!?!
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Re: Optical Illusion & reality

Post by vincentthedog on Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:00 pm

Humans define reality 80% through visual stimulation. The human brain actually paralizes the body while in rem sleep so that we don`t physically act out are dreams. What is real? What ever you percive to be true. It has been therorized that we see only a small portion of reality around us, ie. micrwaves can`t see them but they exist. Ok I didn`t answer anything but who can???
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Re: Optical Illusion & reality

Post by solarchap on Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:34 pm

that raises an interesting point, what would be the reality percentage parameters for a blind person?

thanks for your input
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Re: Optical Illusion & reality

Post by nino_1 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:53 pm

soo youre saying that lost is an illusion?
lol!
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Post by SunburnedPenguin on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:02 pm

Its summed up in the question....if you were born colour-blind...how would you know?

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Post by SomeArztOnYou on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:33 pm

In an English Composition course I took, we were asked to write an essay on an event in our lives that affected us in some way. I proceeded to write about an extremely vivid dream that had me confused for weeks, but I wrote it from the vantage point of it actually happening. My point was that, as I perceived at the time, that dream was reality, in that I was unaware of it not being so. Since I perceived it as happening to me, it was in fact happening to me, as reality is simply that which we see to be real.

The professor did not agree.
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Re: Optical Illusion & reality

Post by solarchap on Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:51 pm

SBP, I WAS born colour-blind!!! and I didn't find out until I was 11 when I took the Ishihara colour dot test, So your point is bang on!

I had had signs, in 1978 Bruce Miller asked me why the picture in my sky was purple.....if Only LOST had been around then, I could have given him a good answer! LOL
instead I got defensive and told him that the snot-scabs round his face were horrible and that his plimsolls were plastic (cmon! thats what 8 year olds do!)

Red/green colour blind, so I can never be a train driver or a pilot DAMN!

Nino I don't think LOST is an illusion, I think they all really are on that island. Sorry......Were!

Someartzey: "The professor didn't agree"........LOL!!!!! Smile
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Post by Alaina on Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:01 pm

Someatz I know what you mean about the vivid dreams. I have had some dreams that I would swear were real it was only upon waking that I realized it was a dream. I even find my self from time to time having to tell my self that something I might be remembering was actually from a dream that’s how real they seam they create memories!! I would have defiantly given you and “A”
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Post by nino_1 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:56 pm

Nino I don't think LOST is an illusion, I think they all really are on that island. Sorry......Were!
i didnt say that lost was an illusion i was joust saying what i understand from the topic
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Post by solarchap on Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:21 am

ok slight misunderstanding, my question was more generally put, than in specific relation to LOST, but I guess any conversations about the nature of reality, will by definition become a bit skewed!

I appreciated your input.
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Post by nino_1 on Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:02 am

LOL i knew you werent talking about lost,

i was just kidding around Razz
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Re: Optical Illusion & reality

Post by Shamballa on Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:07 am

The horizontal lines are parallel.
The middle appears to vibrate.
The whole thing shifts back and forth.


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Re: Optical Illusion & reality

Post by solarchap on Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:49 am

flippin hell Shams! that thing really is moving!!

or is it! LOL!

that is brilliant mate, reminds me of the effects of double-sided purple ohms!

ah but Nino, I Really knew you were kidding around! LOL! Smile
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Re: Optical Illusion & reality

Post by Shamballa on Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:23 pm

This site offers a little tour: http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/

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Re: Optical Illusion & reality

Post by SunburnedPenguin on Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:10 pm

solarchap wrote:

that is brilliant mate, reminds me of the effects of double-sided purple ohms!

OMG you too, why aren't I surprised Very Happy

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Post by Shamballa on Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:52 pm

Hope I didn't trigger any flashbacks by posting that. alien

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Re: Optical Illusion & reality

Post by StitchExp626 on Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:08 pm



Hi Sham

That optical illusion is incorporated in a building about 5 minutes walk from my apartment. I see it everyday, and everyday it makes me laugh.

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Post by StitchExp626 on Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:14 pm

Actually looking for photographs I found this site that lists my apartment complex. I am a long term resident though!!! I live on the 28th floor and have great views of the casino and the rialto,

http://www.moveandstay.com.au/melbourne/apartments_description.asp?id=438

The photograph shows the reception area.

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Post by Shamballa on Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:34 pm

StitchExp626 wrote:

Hi Sham

That optical illusion is incorporated in a building about 5 minutes walk from my apartment. I see it everyday, and everyday it makes me laugh.

Stitch

How cool is that!? I love architecture that doesn't take itself too seriously; very whimsical.

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Re: Optical Illusion & reality

Post by Shamballa on Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:36 pm

The Longaberger Basket Company Building.


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Post by StitchExp626 on Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:38 pm





wow, that beats our big banana anyday!!
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Re: Optical Illusion & reality

Post by solarchap on Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:49 am

Wow! great pictures guys.

Shams, can you belivee Stitchey has to walk past that gargantuan optical illusion every day! what were the chances of that!?!?!?! and is that breadbasket place real?!?! WOW! it's an amzing structure!

Stitchey I am surprised there is not major traffic accidents outside that building!

SBP what can I say, I have a mesolimbic dopamine reward pathway which loves it all!
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Alpert

Post by retroactiveman on Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:57 am

I really enjoyed those posts.

This sounds stupid but I favor a perception based line of reasoning for why Alpert doesnt age.

We dont see alpert age because whatever he is, he is so attached to some type of core desire, that we are all looking at him, each in our own perception, that we never take our eyes off of him and what he is attached to. Because we (you and I) through our desire never take our eyes off of him, we never see change, thus he never appears to age.

Silly, no?
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Re: Optical Illusion & reality

Post by solarchap on Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:22 pm

I don't desire Alpert in any way!

I desire Kate in a chocolate chastity belt and Juliette in Cindy's uniform and Sun eating a flake like on the advert!

Smile
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Post by retroactiveman on Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:11 am

what does "eating a flake" mean
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