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Post by AngeloComet on Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:44 pm

This may be a theory you have heard of, or it might not. Perhaps if you have heard of it you've never really believed it, or dismissed it fairly easily. Or maybe not. Maybe you believe this totally, in which case I am preaching to the converted. But my purpose here is to briefly but compellingly argue that the identity of the skeletons in the cave – the two dubbed “Adam and Eve” – are the bodies of Amelia Earhart and Tom Noonan.



The only key fact about these two people you need to know is this: During an attempt to make a circumnavigational flight of the globe in 1937, Earhart and her co-pilot Noonan disappeared over the central Pacific Ocean and were never seen again. Their bodies were never recovered.



So the cynical (and I applaud the cynical) will be thinking, So what? What has the disappearance of these two people got to do with them possibly being the bodies in the cave in Lost? Well, allow me to supply the supporting evidence. It's not much, but the deliberation by which it exists is hard to ignore.

Firstly, the dates. Jack remarked that “Adam and Eve”, by the deterioration of their clothes, had been dead for at least 40-50 years. Earhart and Noonan disappeared in 1937. Jack was speaking in 2004. That's 67 years. Since it would appear Earhart and Noonan (if it is them) had to have lived and existed on the Island for some time before they were laid to rest then the dating stacks up nicely. They could have lived on the Island for 17 years and still been dead for 50 years by the time Jack found them.

But it's hardly a conclusive piece of evidence. So how about this.



Herarat Aviation was seen in the background of the episode One Of Us. It was present at the small airport that Juliet was taken to by Richard Alpert and Ethan Rom just before she was transported to the Island (after drinking the orange juice that knocked her out). Herarat, in case you hadn't realised, is an anagram of 'Earhart'.



When it comes to Alpert, and his 'Mittelos'/'Lost time' wordplay, we should never underestimate the power of anagrams in Lost. This Herarat business is either an enormous red herring, a reference to another lost person on a lost plane, or a strong indicator about Amelia being more a part of the Lost universe than we have yet seen.

And I deliberately choose the term ‘Lost universe’ because the references don't end here. In the online game Find815, that took place between Seasons 3 and 4, there was a moment where the main protagonist of the story was fiddling around with a radio and picked up a strange broadcast. . .

“. . . And in news just ahead, it has been reported that all communications with aviation pioneer Amelia Earhart have been lost. Miss Earhart was en route from New Guinea to Howland Island as part of a daring round-the-world flight. . . The last verified communication received by the United States Coast Guard was at 8:43AM today, and indicated that Miss Earhart's Lockheed Electra was low on fuel. A search is already underway by the Coast Guard. . .”



The strangeness of the historical radio transmission being picked up in 2004 is one thing, but the fact that Amelia Earhart was referenced once again, on the compelling detail of her disappearance over the Pacific, well, come on. If you’re not even in the least bit encouraged by the idea then probably I'll never convince you that Amelia and Fred are “Adam and Eve”!

Mind you, for those that don't like the idea of Amelia being dead, there is the neat indication that she is still alive and living on the Island. During the episode A Tale Of Two Cities, just before the crash of Oceanic 815, we see Juliet burning her muffins and then her doorbell rings and she answers the door to an elderly woman. This woman's name is, you guessed it, Amelia.



Uncanny, no?

I rather like that, in an easter egg sense, and it doesn't even need to be taken further. Just one of those little nuggets nestled amongst the treasure trove of secrets and subtleties interwoven into the Lost tapestry.
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Post by MollyCocktail on Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:56 pm

Yep yep...I posted this theory a while back on LT.
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Post by lostlikeyou on Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:22 pm

Excellent thoughts AC! I kind of like the idea of Amelia being alive and on the island! Oh...I hope she is!

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Post by TheHolyStickman on Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:54 pm

Very Well written Angelo, but I dont think lost will incorperate anyone real. But some good evidence.

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Post by Smokette on Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:59 pm

Or maybe the Amelia on the island is the love child of Amelia and Tom. Maybe Amelia was pregnant during flight, they landed on the island, gave birth to Amelia, died on the island, and were laid to rest in the cave.
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Post by Caged_Faraday on Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:48 pm

Smokette wrote:Or maybe the Amelia on the island is the love child of Amelia and Tom. Maybe Amelia was pregnant during flight, they landed on the island, gave birth to Amelia, died on the island, and were laid to rest in the cave.
If this is meant to be a bit facetious -- pointing out the over-use of the "pregnant on the flight" story, which now applies to Claire, Sun, and Kate -- I see the humor. However, if you meant this literally, I'd have to point out that in 1937, flying around the globe was nearly insane; a woman doing it was mad; a pregnant woman flying around the globe would be considered suicide. Earhart was a pioneer, but not a psychopath.

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Post by vincentthedog on Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:56 pm

I just read this on you`re blog. Very possible.
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Post by chirpey1987 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:00 pm

Yes they look really alike
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Post by katesawjack on Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:22 am

I like the idea of the couple in the cave being Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan.I don't think that the Amelia we saw in "A Tale of Two Cities " could be her though.

Amelia Earhart was born 7/24/1897, and was 39 years old when she went missing on 7/02/1937.
That would make her 107 years old in 2004 September 22nd. The actress portraying Amelia is Julie Adams,and her age would have been 78 at that time(2004) as her birthdate is 10/17/1926.

They do bear a striking resemblance to each other. I doubt it is only coincidence.I have read, that the writers usually have a reason for naming their characters as they do,and are usually canon to the show.

I think it is highly possible that it could be revealed that she was the daughter of Amelia Earhart.
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Post by Smokette on Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:50 am

What if she didn't know she was pregnant yet? Like, what if they had sex within a few weeks of the flight? She could have been only in her first month of pregnancy and not known she was pregnant.
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Post by Shamballa on Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:35 am

any thoughts on what the black and white stones mean or how they could relate to the Earhart story?

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Post by Hope on Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:33 am

I had actually never heard of this before. And the evidence supporting this theory is compelling. I like it better than it being some one we know now going back in time and dying.

I can't say I am convinced, although I am intrigued!! I love when I read thought provoking theories like these.
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Post by AngeloComet on Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:14 am

KSJ - Good research on the ages! My only counter argument would be that the Island and ageing have got some previous history in not quite sticking to the same rules that the rest of us are governed by. Take one Richard Alpert, for example.

There would have to be something special about the two skeletons for them to have been left the way they were. Maybe superior life longevity provided by the Island was one such reason.

Shamballa - Nope! No real fix on how the stones could relate to the pair of them. (Believe me, if I had come up with one it would have gone into the theory as more supporting evidence!)
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Post by katesawjack on Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:50 pm

AngeloComet wrote:KSJ - Good research on the ages! My only counter argument would be that the Island and ageing have got some previous history in not quite sticking to the same rules that the rest of us are governed by. Take one Richard Alpert, for example.)

AC, I really thought that same thing about the aging. In fact,when I calculated the age Amelia would be,I used the actual time-line making her 107. Her birth date is July 2,1937,and 815 crash being September 22,2004.

2005

The Oceanic 6 rescue date is Friday, 7 January (Day 108)

"There's No Place Like Home, Parts 2 & 3"

Early in the morning, Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sun, Hurley and Aaron (The Oceanic Six) leave the Searcher on the survival raft they will claim washed up on Membata. Frank and Desmond stay on board the Searcher.
Eight to nine hours later, the Oceanic Six arrive at the Indonesian island of Sumba, near the town of Manukangga, where they are found by local fishermen.
Source - http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Timeline:Post-Island

If you take the timeline to 7/24/2005, it would make her age to be 108.
What a co-incidence.
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Post by Caged_Faraday on Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:10 pm

Smokette wrote:What if she didn't know she was pregnant yet? Like, what if they had sex within a few weeks of the flight? She could have been only in her first month of pregnancy and not known she was pregnant.
It's definitely possible, Smokette. I'd just hate to think they used the pregnant schtick yet a 5th time. My dissent is with the possibility of the writing, not your theory.

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Post by TheHolyStickman on Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:31 pm

I cant reall explain it, but every bone in my body tells me that this isn't right. Sorry Angelo I'm not buying it.
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Post by MyStarbuckHatesLost on Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:03 pm

I think I remember reading something like this back on LT a long time ago...in a galaxy far far away.

It sounds very possible. But when you find that the character's name is Amelia it goes from possible to probable considering how the writers rarely put something like that in the show without reason.


I doubt it will amount to anything..just a little easter egg for fun.

Trivia note:
The actress who played Amelia also played the female lead in the 1950's movie "Creature From The Black Lagoon"
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Post by AngeloComet on Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:36 pm

MSHL, I think that's where I fall on the idea. That 'Amelia' really could be the Amelia, but we'll probably never know either way.

Total easter egg city. Believe if you're a man of faith, dismiss if you're a man of science.
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