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Post by SunburnedPenguin on Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:22 pm

I think if he was that scared of going back he wouldnt have been on the helicopter in the first place!

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Post by MyStarbuckHatesLost on Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:34 pm

Sure he would...its called second thoughts.

And WTF, if a double murderer moved in next door to you, be honest, you wouldn't give a polar bears left (insert body part name here) what his childhood was like. Especially if he looked more like Doc Arzt (not you SomeArztOnYou, the character on the show) and now James Sawyer
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Post by wtfsignmeup on Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:50 pm

MyStarbuckHatesLost wrote:Sure he would...its called second thoughts.

And WTF, if a double murderer moved in next door to you, be honest, you wouldn't give a polar bears left (insert body part name here) what his childhood was like. Especially if he looked more like Doc Arzt (not you SomeArztOnYou, the character on the show) and now James Sawyer
Alright, Im going to concede that because its so far strayed from the topic that its irrelevant.

You can ignore the obvious character growth portrayed over the past four seasons if you prefer, but the writers went out of thier way to show the crossing over of the creeds of Sawyer and Jack through the finale. Sawyer is following the Live together die alone philosophy of Jack and Jack is (more subtly)following Sawyers,more sensible survival creed of Every Man for Himself.(plus Kate)



I would argue that had Sawyer made it to the freighter, he probably would have died trying to save Jin.
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Post by AngeloComet on Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:02 pm

WTF, I see your point about the 'swapping' of creeds between Jack and Sawyer - and whilst I certainly think that evolution is true of Sawyer, that does seem rather harsh on Jack.

(This may be veering into the upcoming hero/coward debate, though, so it's not a point I am going to labour.)

Jack's creed was to try and save the Oceanic people by getting them off the Island. Whilst Sawyer jumping off the helicopter certainly facilitated that, the task itself that was Jack's main focus still remained - and he stuck to that.

(It wasn't exactly spectacular - getting just 7 people from the 70 or so that were looking to get rescued - but that's precisely the kind of guilt that eats at Jack's consciousness in Flashforward land.)
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Re: Sawyer's act of cowardice

Post by wtfsignmeup on Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:12 pm

True AC the topic is probably best left for the debate (although I do agree with you about Jack-just trying to get my point across).
Mind you, Every Man For Himself is probably the smartest survival motto for that kind of situation. I know it's not normal human nature, thank God, but it's not necessarily cowardice either.
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