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Post by TheHolyStickman on Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:25 pm

Hi guys,

In a book I'm reading at the moment an old moneylender called Anayona lives with her sister Lizaveta and the protagonist Raskolnikov sees that it would be better if the world was without Anayona. So he goes to her house with an axe and gets rid of her. He goes into her bedroom and takes her money and jewellery intending to give it to people to justify (in his mind) the murder. But as he comes out of her room he sees her sister standing there, horrified. So the only thing for him to do is to kill her.

Sound familiar?

Even the names are similar.
Anayona - Ana Lucia
Lizeveta - Libby

Anyway, I thought that this was an interesting point. Maybe the writers were influenced by the book?

Thanks, THS.
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Post by StitchExp626 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:34 pm

So you are reading Crime and Punishment. Wow hope that is for school!

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Post by SunburnedPenguin on Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:35 pm

Could well be if its a classic......

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Post by TheHolyStickman on Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:50 pm

No, its just something I wanted to read. But I thought I should point it out. (Brainwave) Ben reads a Dosteyevsky book in the hatch! I don't know if it was crime and punishment. But if it was thats either amazing research or a huge coincidence. Smile
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Post by StitchExp626 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:51 pm

Svidrigaylov on death

"...ghosts are, so they say, bits and pieces of other worlds, the beginning of them. There is no reason, of course, why a healthy man should see them, because a healthy man is, above all, a man of this earth and he must, therefore, only live the life of this earth for the sake of order and completeness. But as soon as he falls ill, as soon as the normal earthly order of his organism is disturbed, the possibility of another world begins to become apparent, and the more ill he is, the more closely does he come in touch with the other world, so that when he dies, he goes straight to the other world. I worked it out a long time ago. If you believe in a future life, you could also believe in that."

"I do not believe in a future life," Raskolnikov said.

Svidrigaylov sat lost in thought.

"And what," he said suddenly, "if there are only spiders there, or something of the sort?"

Oxford's World Classics Edition Page 277. On Ghosts

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Post by TheHolyStickman on Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:54 pm

Thanks Stitch, thats an interesting quote and this book is full of them. I guess you've read it then?
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Post by StitchExp626 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:01 pm

No I have only read one book by Dostoevsky, and that is called Demons or some translate is as the Possessed.

It is one of those books that kills you for the first 100 pages, strange names and a bit boring. Then all of a sudden the book comes alive and the rest of the book is quite gripping.

Well worth borrowing from your local library to fill in some spare hours!

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Post by StitchExp626 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:04 pm

http://www.online-literature.com/dostoevsky/the-possessed/

Or just read it on line!!!

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Post by TheHolyStickman on Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:35 pm

Its amazing what you can find online! I found a website which had 'The Idiot' another Dostoyevsky.
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Post by StitchExp626 on Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:14 am

At http://www.online-literature.com/dostoevsky/

you can read on line the following Dostoevsky works



They also have an extensive library of many author's works who are now in the public domain. That is no longer under copyright restrictions.

A great site if you want to read some works and see why they are famous.

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Post by JWLost on Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:34 am

Oh, no way!! He wrote "The Grand Inquisitor?!" I loved that one!


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Post by StitchExp626 on Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:53 am

Cool, welcome to literature 101, or how to be well read on a shoe string!

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Post by blonde on Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:42 am

StitchExp626 wrote:Cool, welcome to literature 101, or how to be well read on a shoe string!
Funny.
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Post by CosmicJewels on Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:14 pm

Speaking of books. I just finished "Flashforward" written by Robert J. Sawyer. It was mentioned on a LOST forum and has quite a few tie ins with the show as far as time, consciousness, fate versus free will, etc. The book starts out with pushing a button. Sound like some tv show? Smile

Reviews are here:
http://www.amazon.com/Flashforward-Robert-J-Sawyer/dp/0812580346/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220882583&sr=8-1
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Post by Annie79 on Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:13 pm

Cosmic, I started that book last year and put in down. Was it really that good?
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Post by JWLost on Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:34 pm

CJ and Annie: I bought that book too. In fact, it is sitting on my bookshelf. I got it right after the season 3 finale because of "Hoff/Drawler" haha, what a nerd I am, but I got a few chapters in and put it down as well. How did it pan out CJ? Is it worth reading? The only thing I remember is the beginning when the guy attacks them. Other than that, I forget what I read.
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Post by CosmicJewels on Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:45 pm

Annie79 wrote:Cosmic, I started that book last year and put in down. Was it really that good?

I was curious about it because of the time displacement angle of it. It was a quick read, moderately interesting, (ould have been more so if I were a true Sci Fi fan) d enjoyable looking for things that would relate to things that have to do with LOST.

It also helped fill the time waiting for the show to start up again. Smile
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Post by JWLost on Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:47 pm

Good points, maybe I will pick it up again, who knows.
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Post by Annie79 on Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:56 pm

Thanks Cosmic! I'm not really a big Sci FI fan myself, but maybe I'll try it again.
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Post by CosmicJewels on Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:29 pm

Annie79 wrote:Thanks Cosmic! I'm not really a big Sci FI fan myself, but maybe I'll try it again.

There's a love story entwined through it too Annie and the choices people make about it.
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Post by Annie79 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:08 am

Even better!! Now I really will pick it up again! Thanks!!
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Post by JWLost on Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:38 am

So weird, I was reading this article about The Large Hadron Collider they are turning on today and it mentioned that it was used in the book "Flash Forward" by Robert J. Sawyer. The Sawyer reference of the author is also another reason why I picked the book up in the first place. I thought it was rather..... well, coincidental. Kind of like this Hadron Collider being mentioned in the book that we were just talking about which Lost references.

I was watching Heros earlier and everything is coming together in their season 1.... kind of like everything is coming together here and it kind of freaks me out. I, for one, don't believe in coincidence. I am more of a fate man.... and everything happens for a reason.
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Post by katesawjack on Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:26 pm

JWLost wrote: I, for one, don't believe in coincidence. I am more of a fate man.... and everything happens for a reason.
I heard this (favorite Partial quote) said by Mel Gibsons character in the movie "Signs"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0286106/quotes
Graham Hess:
"Are you the kind that sees signs, sees miracles? Or do you believe that people just get lucky? Or, look at the question this way: Is it possible that there are no coincidences?"
I believe in the latter.That statement had a profound affecting feeling for me. flower
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Post by CosmicJewels on Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:24 pm

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JWLost wrote: Is it possible that there are no coincidences?"
I believe in the latter.That statement had a profound affecting feeling for me. flower
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Synchronicity happens quite a lot for me KSJ. Very Deepok Choprah. I was reading Flashforward, seeing discussions on the internet about CERN, find out you and JW have the same book, and watching LOST.
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Post by katesawjack on Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:29 pm

[quote="CosmicJewels"]
katesawjack wrote:
JWLost wrote: Is it possible that there are no coincidences?"
I believe in the latter.That statement had a profound affecting feeling for me. flower
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Synchronicity happens quite a lot for me KSJ. Very Deepok Choprah. I was reading Flashforward, seeing discussions on the internet about CERN, find out you and JW have the same book, and watching LOST.

You have made my point CJ. (Synchronicity and No Coincidences)I also have this Book !
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