Ben can't go back?

I'm going with 2, although I think 1 will be the right one...

Angelo, I agree with the isalnd chief thing (I have suggested regime change in other posts), but its a possiibility that ben's real move might be against alpert, ben's move of the island being some kind of regrouping in anticpation of this move

I think Ben can't return to the island due to the effects of moving the paper mache wheel. I suspect that widmore also moved the wheel at one time. Ben will be able to manipulate events on the island by indoctrinating the O6 before they return.
I have an aversion to the Island Chief thing.

wtf: any thoughts on why indoctrinating the 06 is required? and if he doesnt want to get back to be island chief (or ruler) any thoughts on why he might want to go back? and any thoughts on Alpert's role in the game?

retroactiveman wrote:wtf: any thoughts on why indoctrinating the 06 is required? and if he doesnt want to get back to be island chief (or ruler) any thoughts on why he might want to go back? and any thoughts on Alpert's role in the game?

Maybe indoctrinating is the wrong word. I think that the 06 will
probably be inadvertently following out Bens future plans. I think this
because of the look he had on his face after enlisting Sayid as his
assassin. He has his own agenda, revenge for Alexs' murder and for
being forced into exile.
I don't know that Bens major plan is to return although I think he
would lay down his life and others lives to protect the island.
I think Alpert is a native of the island and that they are custodians,
but to be chief of an island that we..(well I) consider to have a
consciousness of sorts seems to be barking up the wrong tree.

Sorry for the double post. I just want to say that my opinion is probably wrong. When it comes to Lost it usually is although it doesn't stop me from voicing it . You guys are far better read than I am and probably know the formula for this kind of story....(I'm winging it:)

wtf: I think that you are right on, or at least as close as somebody can be at this moment, I also think that indoctrinating is not to far off of what is going on (at the least Ben is playing the 06 (or at least Jack/Sayid/Hurley...I dont know about Sun).

Sorry if my questions sounded aggressive, I didnt intend them to be, I was just trying to pick your brain.

I totally agree that Ben is manipulating/indoctrinating the O6 in order to assist him in the future.

I also think that he probably killed Nadia in order to get Sayid on board and against Widmore. We only have Bens word that the other guy shot her. And can anyone trust his word? His devious look afterwards suggested that his plan was all coming together (and he loves that). And if you're in a fight, you'd want Sayid on your side.

Having said this, I haven't watched back the fourth series yet so if the timing of Ben leaping from the island and Nadias death don't add up then please shoot me down in flames and I'll rethink that one.

Jimbo, the timing works fine except for the idea that Ben killed Nadia. She was dead when he 'arrived'.

Ben leaves the Island, finds out it's almost a year later than what it used to be. Then he sees Sayid on the television, and this is his first realisation that some of them did make it off the Island.

So then he evidently researches Sayid, and Nadia's death, and the people after him, and goes to the funeral. And then he either tells Sayid the truth and kills the man that killed Nadia, or makes up a story about the man Sayid gets suggesting he is the one that killed Nadia.

Either way, he got Sayid on his side and that was what he needed.

LOL. Cheers AC. You are the oracle of all things Lost!

As you say, whatever happened with Nadias death, Ben certainly used it to his ultimate advantage as ever. Very fortunate it happened though - why would Widmore have her taken out? Just to piss Sayid off?

In terms of "timing", I posted something on another thread concering what time period will be presented as the "present" in the next series. Will it pick up from when they were rescued and what is now happening on the island after the jump, or will we start off where we finished, ie at Locke, sorry Benthams, funeral - almost a year after as you say? Be interested to hear yours and anyone elses thoughts on the matter.

I'm thinking the main timeline will be about the O6 as they got off the island with flash forwards to the coffin scene timeline.

I reckon that where we left it, Jack agreeing to help Ben etc, will be the present with flashbacks to what happened since leaving the island, aswell as flashbacks for the island inhabitants of what happened in the same timeline - and then season 6 will be the ultimate battle for the island.

Yeah, I tend to agree with you SBP.

Because to a large extent we know what has happened to the O6 since leaving the island - Kate survives her trial and lives with Aaron, Jack was involved with them on and off but then lost the plot due to his dad popping up, Hurley the same but with all the other dead peeps, Sayid gets married then Nadia is killed and then he works for/with Ben and we know Sun has her baby and takes over at Paik. Any missing bits such as Bentham visiting them can be cleared up with a few select flashbacks. Otherwise we'll just be going over old ground.

I agree also. I think the 06 story will be about Jack convincing the others to go back. Trying to mend fences with Kate and Sun etc.Maybe their current storylines will coincide with flashbacks/sideways/forwards of the on island situation. I'd like that. It would be a bit different.