The Black Rock

U get the point Irocz

I think when we first saw the Black Rock back in Season One, the whole point was to have a vessel that would allow Dynamite to be on the island. Dynamite that Locke needed to open the hatch. I think the writers needed a scene where Locke was about to open the hatch, Hurley saw the numbers and tried to stop Locke… But how… Hurley trying to stomp out a lit fuse of dynamite works great in that respect. It seems that would be simpler, in TV terms, to execute that than Locke making and even bigger trebuchet and Hurley trying to stop that.

Now the afterthought, after having the show continue past one season, is the question "What’s it doing here, and how did it get here?".

From the Lostpidia.com Canon, we learn that at the auction scene where Widmore buys the Black Rock journal, the date they give for the disappearance is 1845. I think this has to be chalked up to a mistake by the writers, because dynamite wasn’t invented until 1864.Then, we are given the year 1881 for the Black Rock’s disappearance in the “The Lost Experience”, that according to Lostpedia is part of the shows official canon.
So now the ship disappeared twice?

I get the feeling that the Black Rock is going to turn out to be something like Danielle Rousseau. She was the only other person the losties met, and her back story was that she had been stranded for 16 years yada yada yada… we all know it. Now they bring Time Travel into the mix, and Danielle’s story and Horace’s story and Kelvin’s story don’t add up. They kill Danielle and Karl and her daughter Alex. Now that whole arc is wiped away with their death. We don’t have to worry about them any more. “Stop thinking about it” they say. Now Alex becomes more of Ben’s daughter than that of Rousseau’s. We won’t have her claiming birthrights anymore, just Ben. That gives Ben motivation for the next season. His revenge against Widmore for his daughter’s death, not Danielle’s. (writer’s strike strikes again)
I think ignoring it just makes writing that much easier now that they have a definite timeline in which to finish the show. Less loose ends to tie up.

And I would like to add that a **poof** island appears beneath the ship, would be a clean explanation in this show, if we here to hear about it again.

Now they bring Tim Travel into the mix

Now that's a great name! It's got Lost character written all over it!

HaHa. Yeah when they brought that mo'fo into the mix it threw everything out of whack. He crazy.

Sorry professors, I hope that doesn’t count towards my final grade.

AngeloComet wrote:

Now they bring Tim Travel into the mix

Now that's a great name! It's got Lost character written all over it!

No, AC, you've got it all wrong. Tim Travel is the concept of driving 35 or more miles to get coffee from Tim Horton's Doughnuts. MollyCocktail and I do it regularly with no fear of paradox.

I'm leaning towards the Lateralus idea that this was just a kinda cool thing to show, a ship in the middle of a jungle, with no real plan to explain it.

The show runners have said that most, but not all, of the island mysteries will be explained eventually...maybe this is one of the not most.

Is it possible that a sailing ship could ride a massive wave into the middle of an island and survive with not much damage? Sure its possible. Just like everything else we see on Lost is possible...smoke monsters, living dead, time travel and island relocataion via a frozen wooden wheel in a cave.

Yes MSHL, anything is possible on Lost. But, the idea of a wave bringing the ship to the middle of the island is a strictly rational, scientific explanation that has nothing to do with the island and its "powers". So I don't think you can compare the "wave" feat to the likes of a moving island or the living dead, which are direct results of the island's "powers".

Unless, of course, you are saying the ship was tossed by a giant wave, Smokey caught the ship, and gently rested it down on the island surface completely intact.

I think I would have an easier time buying that explanation. HaHa.

"Rational" and "scientifc" dont mean the same thing.

Both are rational given the context of the show.

They are comparable in that you are simply asking about cause, based on effect.

Even thinking about this show reeks of Hume.

The problem I'm having with the island's time travel being the explanation of the location of the Black Rock is its vertical position. If the island suddenly popped into being where the boat happened to be, the boat would be at sea level (actually, it probably drafts 8 feet, so at its lowest point, 8 feet below sea level). That point in the island has to be at least a good 10 feet above sea level, if not more.

When the island popped into being at the same place as the ship, most if not all of the ship would have occupied the same space as the island. Even ignoring that matter can't occupy the same space, the ship would be mostly, if not entirely underground.

The only way it would work right, is if the island rose out of the sea, as I believe was suggested. That's cool for a very dramatic look, and solves the physics, but it doesn't make much sense... and would really suck for the 75 or so people who would drown when it happened.

Faraday, I think the answer to your problem is island rising plus tsunami plus trampolines.

retroactiveman wrote:Faraday, I think the answer to your problem is island rising plus tsunami plus trampolines.

Does a four-toed statue possess the balance necessary to utilize a trampoline?

OK, I'm getting out of hand.

Alas, I think unless there's a 3rd option, I think I'm going to be disappointed with the Black Rock mystery answer.

Third option: not trampolines ... stilts; after all wasn't Jeremy Bentham who called the Declaration of the Rights of Man "nonsense on stilts"; I think that we have the nonsense covered

Fourth option; Baron von Munchausen aka Magnus Hanso (its an anagram):



Final scene of lost: a big Terry Gilliam foot stomping us all out. It would feel good

The great thing about this show is that, you could believe that a tsunami washed it up, or you could go all mystical and say the island moved and got it.

Or three HSM it could have been moved their deliberately to cover up another Dharma Station that is underneath it perhaps?