The Black Rock

Sorry if this is already common knowledge amongst you Lost enthusiasts.

But, I guess we know now how The Black Rock got so far inland on the island. The island must have moved a long time ago and it must have moved right to where the Black Rock was sailing at the time.

My only question is that wouldn't the island have had to physically come underneath the boat for this to work, or come from underwater I guess is what I am asking? If it just moved "in time" and appeared at another spot instantly wouldn't it kind of crush the ship.

If this was in fact how the Black Rock came about on the island, I am just wondering how it happened. Was it an instantaneous 'pop', with the island appearing instantly and the ship stranded in the middle of it? Or was it a sea-shaking, island rising out of the water, really dramatic event?

For TV purposes, I think the island rising out of the water thing would be cool, but I don't know how they could explain that. I guess the more realistic (and I can't believe I am calling this realistic) is the island appearing instantly with the boat in the middle of it.

What do you all think?

That's a good question. From my point of view, the way that the Island disappeared suggests that it travels through time via wormholes, which would also help to explain the wheel used to initate the move (rotating the wheel opens the wormhole). If this is indeed the case, perhaps the Black Rock had been sailing over the precise spot where the wormhole opened on the other side.

Yeah. . . I still struggle in my head to grasp the actuality of an Island appearing and disappearing. In the middle of an ocean with nothing around, OK, I can see it.

But when a boat is there, where the Island shows up, and the boat ends up on top of and in the middle of the Island!? HOW!?

Obviously there was a storm on the seas that was just strong enough to hoist a ship onto land - over trees and rocks and such - yet not so strong as to damage the ship. How is that difficult to believe?

Arzt - you're talking about one BIG wave there. . . I mean a wave that is MILES long and incredibly high.

You're talking about a monster-sized tsunami that the Black Rock managed to be on the crest of. . .

Yeah. I find that hard to believe. (And from a Lost production special-effects perspective, it would be an expensive bitch to portray!)

From Wikipedia, regarding 'Mega-tsunamis':

"Mega-tsunamis" were first hypothesised by geologists searching for oil in Alaska in 1953^[3].

On 9th July, 1958, an earthquake of magnitude 7.7 (Richter scale), caused a block of rock and ice to drop into the deep water at the head of the fjord Lituya Bay. The block fell almost vertically and hit the water with sufficient force to cause a surge of water approximately 524 meters high. A wave with initial heights of about 333 metres travelled along the bay, and flowed over low hills at the entrance to the bay. Howard Ulrich and his son, Howard Jr. were in the bay in their fishing boat when they saw the wave. Ulrich tried to get over the wave and he and his son amazingly survived the wave, and reported that it carried their boat "over the trees". Another boat actually rode over the tsunami in the bay, and one was destroyed by the tsunami.

Lets say hypothetically that it was "one big wave" that carried the Black Rock so far inland. Then how is it that the ship is not very damaged? To me, it looks like its in near perfect shape, given the fact that it has been sitting in the jungle for over a century.

These ships were not made of steel. If a wave picked up a ship, carried it miles inland, and dropped it onto land, it would most likely be destroyed when it hit ground. If not totally destroyed, I think we can all agree that it would be in a lot worse shape than The Black Rock is.

I'm almost sure that The Black Rock ended up so far inland due to the island moving. I don't think they would bring up such a great mystery in the show only to have it solved by a "mega-tsunami".

Iroc, I agree with you. But looking up potential alternative explanations got me to that mega-tsunami business.

I'd be derelict in my attention to objectivity to dismiss it!

We have to consider the dynamite that was on board as well, would that not of gone off?

LJ, to be fair, I think it's the age of the dynamite that has caused it to be so volatile and unstable.

When those sticks were fresh you could juggle with 'em and still not wind up in bits, Arzt-style. Therefore the slam-bang of the Black Rock should not, I am guessing, have set the dynamite off.

I still don't see the Black Rock surfing on a giant wave to the middle of the jungle, though.

I like this topic.

Lojozz, Dynamite (Nitroglycerine suspended in a binder) is fairly stable when first manufactured. Over time, the nitroglycerine "sweats" from it, which is what causes it to be unstable and dangerous. At the time of the Black Rock's crash, the dynamite would not have gone off without a fuze or blasting cap. 200-odd years later, it's a different story.


http://science.howstuffworks.com/question397.htm

Edit to add: Beat by seconds.

I know you were just looking at alternate explanations AC. I was moreso replying to the comment from SomeArtzOnyou. I just used your "mega-tsunami" terminology because I liked the sound of it.

And I too am having trouble grasping the idea of the "pop! Island instantly appears literally out of nowhere" idea. Like I said, I think it would be awesome if next seasons premier starts with the island rising out of the water somewhere, maybe from right underneath another trading ship.

But, this is also unlikely given the fact that there are people on the island. Sawyer and Julliette for instance were right on the shore when the island moved. If the island came from underwater, wouldn't they drown or something?

Drown. . . or get rinsed off. . .

Or maybe that Island Bubble is like a giant invisible shield.

It's be like a giant underwater aquarium - with Juliet and Sawyer on the beach on an underwater Island, looking at the marine life swim past this invisible plexi-glass-like Island container.

That would be realistic!

Well... we all agree that Black Rock is there cause the island moved in time and appeared in the same place where the ship was.
I had the same doubt u have about it (how the Black Rock is in the middle of the island? The island just pop there?!), but I think theres plenty ways to explain that in the show... Like.... they can just show the Black Rock sailing, and then a storm comes from nowhere, and subtely they crash in a tree... and theres land above them... something like that.

What Im trying to say is... yeah thats a persisting question... but maybe irrelevant... the important thing is : the island can move thru time and space instantly, and thats why tha Black Rock is there.

HaHa.... I have forgotten what realistic (in Lost) even means anymore after watching an entire island disapeer.

.... or maybe it was when i saw a 'smoke-monster' destroy Keamy and crew.

.... or maybe it was when i saw a crippled man walk again after his plane crashed from thousands of feet in the air.

.... or maybe, ahhh, you get the point.

Shion, you may be right. That might have to be the answer we will have to settle for: The island moved to the same place where the Black Rock was sailing at the time. Period. That may be all we get from the producers.