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Post by Irocz28 Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:47 pm

THS, I like your third option too. Locke has had an amazing journey before coming to the island. I would think the only characters that even come close to his journey would be Jack, Kate, or Sawyer. But, I will leave that up to Hope if this is the topic she picks.
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Post by MyStarbuckHatesLost Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:30 am

TheHolyStickman wrote:Ok since the challenging is going a bit slow, I'll propose a challenge.

1) Best episode in lost (Excluding eason finales) - I would go with Walkabout

2) Best season in lost - I would go with season 1

3) Best Flashback story (All of their centric episodes) - I would go with Lockes

I hate to throw the polar bear wrench into this but those topics won't really work very well in a debate format.

I love the idea of discussion/voting on which is the best flashback or season or episode but keep in mind: it has the word BEST in it.
This is opinion, not fact.

How do you debate an opinion or feeling?
I already know my favorite episode, character etc. and no amount of argument is going to sway that opinion

for example:
Let's say that TheHolyStickMan's favorite color is red. Hope debates that it is blue and I debate that it is red.
How would Hope have any chance to convince THSM that his favorite color is blue? She couldn't because he already has a favorite color and you can't argue someone into changing a personal preferrence.

If you could, my screen name would be MyStarbuckLovesLost

Debates have to deal with tangible facts and observations (even if they are lighthearted subjects) or else they are not debates, they are opinion polls.
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Post by TheHolyStickman Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:15 am

MSHL, as I said in my the last debate you should vote for the person who argued their case the best. Walkabout might be your favourite episode but my argument for it may be terrible. And Hope may argue whatever episode very well. So then your fav episode would still be Walkabout but you vote for Hope.

Also why I liked the third one was that not many people think about the flashbacks as much as their fav episodes or seasons. So some people might not have made their minds up about it yet.

Somebody stop me I'm debating already! Very Happy
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Post by Hope Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:39 am

Gosh guys, right now my computer is on the fritz big time. So if you guys don't want to wait for me I understand. This isn't my computer that I am on right now but a friends. So if SunnyP wants to pick a topic to debate I understand. I feel bad is all and since she was my last challenger I will let her pick a topic to debate. I am totally sorry guys!! I should be another week if you want to wait though!!
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Post by TheHolyStickman Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:48 am

Hope, It would be completely unfair to do a debate without the reigning champ in it. Its not like were rushing them. Im sure everyone can wait at least a week for you. We have to space them out anyway its not like lost is on anytime soon! Very Happy
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Post by SunburnedPenguin Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:26 pm

I dont mind waiting a week Smile
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Post by Igs Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:05 pm

Topic: All things considered, will Ben's ultimate goal (his endgame) be for good or for evil?

Or put in a a debate format:

Resolved: Ben's ultimate end will be a just and virtuous end.

Ok...so we don't know what his end is. That's what I like about this though.

Each Debater gets to convince us of Ben's real end, and then gets to argue whether or not it's a moral end (which may or may not be self-evident). Then, each one can attack the other for (i) the formulation of the end, and/or (ii) the justification/attack of that end.

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Post by TheHolyStickman Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:17 pm

Hi Igs, good to see you around again. It seems like you like the debate section.
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Post by Igs Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:37 pm

Indeed. I think this goes back to my nerdy LD days (Lincoln-Douglas debate) in high school.

I want a debate with some teeth!!!!

I need to get around to the big theories section....I'm sure there is a brilliant theory laying out the basic framework of Lost just waiting to blossom in my head...all I need to do is organize my random insights in some sensible and compelling way. Of course, I have been thinking this for 4 seasons now, but c'est la vie, I have to keep the faith I guess.

BTW...I like the Pink Floyd shout out you got there.

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Post by TheHolyStickman Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:45 pm

Thanks, I think I might change it soon. Any suggestions?
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Post by Igs Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:12 pm

"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands ..."

Oh sorry. Didn't mean to put salt in that wound. Wink

To be honest, I think each person has to choose their own quotes carefully. Therefore, I politely recuse myself. Ok ... I'm not that serious about it, but there is just so much to choose from. I think I best leave it up to you. Unless of course, you just stumbled on the next debate topic.

Resolved: THS should change his quote.

Either way, the good news is now you have me thinking about getting my own quote, and I already have an idea!!!!!

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Post by Igs Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:13 pm

Trial post --- trying to see if my quote comes up.

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Post by Igs Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:46 pm

Got the quote. Stitch hooked it up.

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Post by MyStarbuckHatesLost Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:28 am

Igs wrote:Resolved: Ben's ultimate end will be a just and virtuous end.

Question IGS,
How does one define "just and Virtuous?" Good and virtuous for whom? Need a more concrete question like "Will Ben's ultimate goal end in the death of the Losties? or something like that
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Post by Irocz28 Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:01 pm

Ok, since we have time, I will throw out a debate challenge.

1) Is Sun right to blame Jack for Jin's death (assuming he is the other person she blames besides her dad). I would say no.

2) Is the information given in the podcasts, or any other information given by the producers reliable? I would say no.

3) Did the writers have a plan for the series all along or were they making it up as they went? I would say they made it up as they went.
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Post by TheHolyStickman Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:06 pm

Sorry Guys, count me out of this debate. I'm on holiday from tomorrow for a week.
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Post by Irocz28 Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:15 pm

Well, enjoy your holiday. Where are you going?
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Post by TheHolyStickman Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:35 pm

Lanzarotti (sp?) in the canary islands. I've tried to learn a bit of Spanish for the trip (Haven't I Nino, Very Happy) but I'll still get lost probably. It's supposed to be boiling down there though, and the hottest place I've ever been is Italy in June, so I don't know if I'll survive a week there. Very Happy And after that I can enjoy 4 more weeks of no-school. Hopefully I can get through four seasons of lost!
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Post by Occam Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:41 pm

TheHolyStickman wrote:Lanzarotti (sp?) in the canary islands.

Make that "Lanzarote", thank you very much Cool
TheHolyStickman wrote:I've tried to learn a bit of Spanish for the trip (Haven't I Nino, Very Happy) but I'll still get lost probably.

Dude, it's not as if you were boarding an Oceanic flight... you aren't, right? Shocked

TheHolyStickman wrote:It's supposed to be boiling down there though, and the hottest place I've ever been is Italy in June, so I don't know if I'll survive a week there. Very Happy

Dude, boiling? Sure not. Always spring in the Canary Islands...

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Post by TheHolyStickman Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:44 pm

I'm not used to the hot weather though, Occam. As I said beforee the hottest place I've ever been is Italy.
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Post by SunburnedPenguin Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:53 pm

Remember that HSM is a fellow Brit and we have forgotten what "hot" means....we had about 20 degrees over the last couple of days which is the first sniff of summer we have seen yet Sad
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Post by MyStarbuckHatesLost Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:35 pm

Okay, is this going to turn into a hottest place contest?
I'm going to New Orleans for a week on August 8th. it has been in the upper 90's-F (mid 30's-C) all week here where I live and I'm going to a place that is hotter and more humid...what was I thinking.
But what a city.
The food
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Post by CosmicJewels Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:46 pm

MyStarbuckHatesLost wrote:Okay, is this going to turn into a hottest place contest?
I'm going to New Orleans for a week on August 8th. it has been in the upper 90's-F (mid 30's-C) all week here where I live and I'm going to a place that is hotter and more humid...what was I thinking.
But what a city.
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Post by TheHolyStickman Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:20 am

I already have my holiday song. It'd be perfect to walk down a busy street on a hot day. San Tropez - Pink Floyd.
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Post by CosmicJewels Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:38 am

TheHolyStickman wrote:I already have my holiday song. It'd be perfect to walk down a busy street on a hot day. San Tropez - Pink Floyd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkRcwqxLEuk
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