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Post by TheHolyStickman on Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:55 am

I originally posted this idea on Lost-Theories.com but, I don't think I explained the point very well.

In the episode 'Cabin Fever' Locke is shown as a small boy of about
five in his living room playing backgammon. From what we can see he is
a quiet but intelligent boy who may have some outbursts of rage as we
see his mum tell him in a strange way to be on his best behaviour when
a certain Mr Alpert came. Which brings me to my theory.

When Richard comes in he straight away notices the a vivid picture on
the wall. It is of Smokey attacking someone in its trademark way.
Notice how he's immediatly drawn to it. I think this can only be
explained by one of two things.


  • That Smokey was around before the DHARMA and Richard recognised it from the island.
  • Or that Richard time travelled back to that time from the present and thats how he recognised it.

It seems to me much more likely that the first is correct. As the
producers have ruled out time travel they would have to use mind travel
or something similar and I don't think the writters would like to have
to wriggle their way out of that one. Another reason that makes it seem more likely to me is that this is the kind of hint that they would drop in, in an episode. If Richard had time travelled then that picture means nothing at all. It just seems more likely to me.

Anyway that was just a little observation I picked up a while ago and I thought I'd get some feedback on it.

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Re: The Origins of Smokies

Post by nino_1 on Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:43 am

or maybe what little john draw was a man getting hit by a tornado
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Re: The Origins of Smokies

Post by ravenontheleft on Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:16 am

I don't mean to sound angry, but the producers HAVE NOT ruled out time travel. In fact they've CONFIRMED it in an interview with E!:

http://de.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=30ea40d8-c950-4ae6-af8e-3c7cd60d6384

*scroll down to the third bullet for synopsis or read the whole article

Also, I've seen Kristen from E! also talk about how the island moved in place and time (time travel) when the wheel was turned. I wish lost theories was still around so I could post a big fat I told you so.

But I like the rest of your theory. I never considered that the existance of little John's drawing was a clue as to smokey's timeline.
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Re: The Origins of Smokies

Post by TheHolyStickman on Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:30 am

Yes Raven, I thought that maybe the writers had said something about it but I wasn't sure. But it still shows that either Richard can time travel or that Smokey existed before the DHARMA, both would be very interesting finds.

And Nino that really would send my theory down the plug hole. Very Happy
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Re: The Origins of Smokies

Post by solarchap on Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:56 am

THS it's got to be said, whether your theory is or isn't down the plug hole, you have a mind ahead of it's time, and I have to remind myself sometimes that you are still (nearly) a teenager.

I didn't know for a very long time as it happens, kudos to you son.
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Re: The Origins of Smokies

Post by CosmicJewels on Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:16 pm

[quote="ravenontheleft"] I wish lost theories was still around so I could post a big fat I told you so.

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It is back up, as of a couple days ago, under a new owner called JJ. You might be able to find the big fat I told you so there. Smile
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Re: The Origins of Smokies

Post by TheHolyStickman on Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:11 pm

Thanks SolarChap, actually that was something that me and brother both spotted at different times and he helped me develop my theory. And I'm only a child for two more days you can't treat me like a kid anymore on Friday! Very Happy

And CosmicJewels, is that new admins second name Abrams.
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Post by CosmicJewels on Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:38 pm

TheHolyStickman wrote:Thanks SolarChap, actually that was something that me and brother both spotted at different times and he helped me develop my theory. And I'm only a child for two more days you can't treat me like a kid anymore on Friday! Very Happy

And CosmicJewels, is that new admins second name Abrams.

He says in his "hello" to everyone that there is someone called JJ and you could get on JJ's List. His/Her name is listed as LT_ADMIN
I read it quickly and thought the name was JJ. I never even put JJ and Abrams together!! Talk about slow on the uptake here!
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Post by CosmicJewels on Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:32 pm

Okay ...... found the place where the name is. Smile

"I知 the new owner of the forum and you can call me JJ. I知 a LOST fan too and a member here but I値l leave the theories to others. Right now I want to try my hand at running a forum and so I知 setting aside my account. I hope you値l bear with me. "

http://www.lost-theories.com/theories/2008/jul/07/new-administration-welcome/
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Re: The Origins of Smokies

Post by TheHolyStickman on Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:57 pm

Yeah I read it earlier when I saw Blondes post. He/She sounds nice I hope the site gets back on track.
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Re: The Origins of Smokies

Post by solarchap on Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:35 am

ok THS but there's still 2 days to go, so go to your room, and yes you may watch Lost! Laughing
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Re: The Origins of Smokies

Post by StitchExp626 on Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:49 am

Wow I should send you a boomerang HSM for your b/day.

Stitch

PS

I think that the smoke monster definitely predates Dharma. I think all they have done is attempt to control it.
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Re: The Origins of Smokies

Post by CosmicJewels on Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:18 am

StitchExp626 wrote:Wow I should send you a boomerang HSM for your b/day.

Stitch

PS

I think that the smoke monster definitely predates Dharma. I think all they have done is attempt to control it.

I tend to think it pre-dated Dharma also. I entered smoke and electro magnetism in a google search and it shows dust, smoke, tiny type particles, etc., as a way of jamming surveillance.
This is short explanatory sentence....
"ELECTROMAGNETIC OBSCURANT - Smoke, dust, mist, and other particular material deliberately generated to degrade the enemy's sensors and deny detailed information about the protected unit(s)."

Makes me wonder what's behind/in the Smoke Monster. Loved the way they used the word "Obscurant". Just a cool word! Instead of saying "I have to put on my make-up" I could say "I have to put on my face obsurant".
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Re: The Origins of Smokies

Post by TheHolyStickman on Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:46 pm

Well as I'm not really a believer in the supernatural, heres my take on it. Smokey starts out as some invisible force I don't know what, but hopefully its something not to hard to belive in. Then the DHARMA try to control this force and by tampering with it they manage to give it a physical appearance as a collum of black smoke.

Or something simmilar to that. Smile

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Post by solarchap on Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:09 am

Well as I'm not really a believer in the supernatural,

listen son, the first time you feel some nice bird gettin all super on your naturals you will feel differently! Very Happy
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Post by TheHolyStickman on Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:17 pm

Hahaha SC. You really are the 'Todd' of this group. (Scrubs)

'Super on you naturals' I'm going pinch that and use it at school if you don't mind. Very Happy
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