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Post by TheHolyStickman on Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:10 pm

Before I start writing my theory I want to say that this probably has no bearing on lost now. The show has evolved so much that what's below is most likley irrelevent. But anyway here goes.

In season two the others were properly introduced to us. We only had brief sightings of them in season so season two is really the start of the others. Remember this is before we knew they had a bug eyed leader and a book club.

I'll start off with Cindy's capture. Let's say the tailies + Sawyer, Micheal and Jin walk 5 Mph. They walk for six hours a day. They walk for two days, thats 60 miles they covered. Now we know that Cindy was captured only one or two miles away from the losties camp. The others visited the tailies on two seperate occasions. This must mean that they are close to them and that it is at least easier to get to them than to get to the losties. So why would some of the others travel 60 miles, in a small group so as not be seen, probably not sleeping much if at all to keep watch and keep a reasonably big distance away just so they could take Cindy? And why not take her earlier to avoid the two day trip? What was the point. why couldn't they have taken her with the nine others they took.

How much do the others know about the losties? In season two they were portrayed as mysterious, deadly and even supernatural. In the episode 'The hunting party', which is really the first long encounter with the others, Tom says to Locke. 'Why dont you build us a fire, Locke, so we can talk about this.' Not much strange about that line is there? But listen to it on the actually episode. The way he says it is very strange. As if he knows all about Locke and his boar catching skills. But in season 3 Tom is reaveled as not an all knowing mysterious other. But as a slightly overweight, gay security guard. So how did he know about Locke? I don't like the way they changed the others in season three. It makes everything we knew about them obsolete.

In that same episode when Tom yells 'Light em up' over 20 torches immediatly light up. How does that even work? In my experience wood takes a while to burn, how could 20 people simultaneously light torches and then put them out at the same time. That couldn't work naturally. Even if they put them out on the ground the you would still see light. The only way that over 20 torches could be lit and put out all at the same time is with electronics. And at that point the others were supposed to live in the jungle in tents. They weren't supposed to civilised, they were definatley not supposed have access to any modern equipment.

I'm sure there are more situations like this but I haven't found them yet. I'm still watching season two through again. I think that there a lot of errors with the others in season and the way they changed in season three. I just can't comprehend why they changed them so suddenly.


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Re: The Season Two Others

Post by AngeloComet on Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:19 pm

Inadvertently, you appear to have rumbled the point.

Let's take your example of Tom "Light 'em up!" in The Hunting Party. What was significant about him in that scene? He was wearing a beard.

Correction: He was wearing a fake beard.

Remember at the pier, when Ben (who, of course, we didn't even know the name of at that time) scolded Tom for no longer wearing his beard. Tom admitted it was because Kate had rumbled his secret; his beard was fake.

The clothes The Others wore, they were just costumes.

Elsewhere, Sayid had found a whole little tent village of The Others that was - ah ha! - also fake.

And that's the point. In Season One and Two The Others were all smoke and mirrors; presenting an image of themselves as more feral, naturalistic tribal types than the white picket fence, book club civilisation they actually were.

Of course, the real question is: why?

If The Others had emerged in their regular clothes, introduced themselves to the survivors and took them to The Barracks and looked after them, what would have been the consequences? Just thinking this through, from The Others point of view, especially Ben's, the consequences would have been disastrous. That's why they did it. Present themselves as rough, squalid people so the Losties will stick to their side of the Island and allow The Others, in The Barracks, to live their lives on their side. . .

As for why they waited until Cindy was on the other side of the Island, well, I don't got a good answer for that - but if you give me five minutes I am sure I can concoct some form of reasonable explanation!
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Re: The Season Two Others

Post by TheHolyStickman on Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:35 pm

I know that was all smoke and mirrors AC. But my point is that Tom knew that Locke was a skilled hunter. He couldn't have found that out from the reports they have on everyone as he changed when he came to the island.

The others were mysterious, they did know things about the losties. They didn't leave trails. They changed the others completely, I think the smoke and mirrors things was a way that they could change the others without it being compleltely unbelieveable.
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Re: The Season Two Others

Post by AngeloComet on Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:34 pm

Locke spent time hunting with Ethan before Ethan eventually kidnapped Claire. Locke actually remarked about how Ethan had been very skilled at tracking and hunting and was kicking himself about how he had not suspected anything.

That was after Ethan had been found out and scarpered.

Back at the Staff Station, where Claire was taken, Tom was also present. Ethan, no doubt, briefed the likes of Tom about the people he had met and encountered amongst the Losties, chief of which would have been Locke who he arguably spent the most time with.

Therefore Tom was well-armed with information about the type of man Locke had become on the Island. . .

Have a little more faith, Stickman. (Most of) the answers to Lost are in there if you truffle around the details enough!
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Re: The Season Two Others

Post by TheHolyStickman on Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:36 pm

Damn!
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Re: The Season Two Others

Post by katesawjack on Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:10 pm

I am in the camp that believes Cindy was not captured by the others, but went with them willingly. Why is anyones guess? confused

I am not sure if Cindy will have any significant role in the rest of the story of Lost, but ... I do think her role was in the beginning was only out of the necessity of the writers to have someone deliver the news, to the tail survivors that they had been flying off course just before the crash.

from Lostpedia."Cindy was supposed to be the crew member whose body Shannon cried over in the Pilot. This was scrapped when the writers needed a crew member to tell the tailies they were flying off course before the crash. They chose to allow Cindy to be that crew member."
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Re: The Season Two Others

Post by vincentthedog on Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:12 pm

Sill good conversation HSM. I`m rewatching season one again never no what we may find.
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Re: The Season Two Others

Post by TheHolyStickman on Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:20 pm

I just find it hard to believe that the others tracked the tailes for 60 miles just to take Cindy when they could have done much earlier.
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Re: The Season Two Others

Post by vincentthedog on Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:29 pm

Its a good point HSM. I will let you know what I think when I rewatch season two.
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Re: The Season Two Others

Post by nino_1 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:38 am

good observation THSM. but we all gonna know the andswer at the end of the series Sad
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