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The Whispers
by AngeloComet Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:00 pm
Oh those whispers. Those mysterious voices in the air, usually heard in the jungle and sometimes audible prior to the appearance of an Other, or Others. The Whispers first appear in the episode Solitary. Sayid is alone in the jungle, having encountered Rousseau, and these strange voices surround him. So it is here I can present the first startling piece of information about The Whispers from the man (David Fury) who wrote the Solitary episode.
“They were supposed to be The Others, lurking in the jungle. At that time we hadn’t yet settled on what The Others would be. . . I had imagined they were going to be more feral, gone native. . . I just didn’t imagine they were going to be spirit-gum, fake beard wearing, boat driving, faux hillbillies. . .”
I don’t know about you, but that made surprising reading. It’s a real poke in the eye for all those people that (foolishly) like to believe the Lost creators had the whole thing worked out from the start! But still, even if The Whispers were not fully worked out at first, it’s fair to say that the creators must have a firm idea of what they are now. Let’s hope so, and let’s get stuck in and see what we can make of them.
In the majority of incidences The Whispers take the form of a small group of ‘people’ talking amongst themselves about what is happening. For example, when Sawyer is hunting boar during Outlaws The Whispers mention, “I knew he was American,” and, “My guess is to shoot the pig.”
At a point where Sawyer pauses, listening, The Whispers say, “What did he see? / Nothing, he was following it.” There are other occasions, too. Just before Mr. Eko and Charlie see the Black Smoke, The Whispers say, “There’s Charlie.” When Jack is in the Hydra Station aquarium cell, prior to the intercom crackling into life, The Whispers mention, “Let him go free.”
So the take home point about The Whispers so far is that they are a small group of ‘people’, talking amongst themselves and discussing what’s happening as it happens. The commentating on current events is crucial, I think. For one thing it dispels the idea that they are voices from a previous timeline. The Whispers remark about what is happening – they are not captured voices being replayed; they are active, objective participants and can see what is going on. This is a consistent truth except for one nagging incident which I shall refer to as The Duckett Voice.
The Duckett Voice
The Whispers being active observers is true except for one troubling instance. During the episode Outlaws, amongst the chatter of the observers, a more familiar whisper is heard: Frank Duckett saying, “It’ll come back around.” Frank Duckett, as you may recall, was the man Sawyer mistakenly shot and killed, believing he was the “real Sawyer”, before he boarded Oceanic 815.
The identical whispered replay of “it’ll come back around” is certainly troublesome; it’s a Whisper that does not fit with the idea of a small group of talkers speaking amongst themselves. These are the last words of a dying man, captured and being replayed to Sawyer on the Island, amidst the ‘regular’ Whispers. Problematic, for sure. Given this all took place during Season One, I could argue that the explanation for The Whispers hadn’t been officially nailed down. This Duckett Voice anomaly may prove to be a pervasive inconsistency – a fly in the ointment, if you like – once the whole mystery is revealed.
I will try to incorporate ‘The Duckett Voice’ into my main conclusion towards the end but I wanted to isolate and identify it here to highlight how troubling an element it may be.
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So let’s set The Duckett Voice aside. Where were we? With the idea that The Whispers are a small group of voices chattering amongst themselves about events that are happening. OK. Let us not forget David Fury’s earlier remark, about The Whispers originally being The Others. We can be reasonably sure that’s not true, but The Others and The Whispers have on several occasions been intrinsically linked. Off the top of my head: at the pneumatic tube when Jack, Kate and Sawyer were stunned with electric shots by The Others; when Harper appeared to tell Juliet to go to The Tempest; The Others attacking Keamy and his men – all moments where The Whispers sounded as a precursor to an appearance by The Others.
And yet, troublingly, we’ve got instances where The Whispers appear without The Others. Like Sayid and Sawyer alone in the jungle, for example. I get to three conclusions about The Whispers from this (in order of least preferred):
1: The Others create The Whispers / The Others are The Whisperers. The Others are entirely responsible for them. They use them as a means of confusing those they wish to attack, such as Keamy and his men. It panics their prey and confuses them, allowing The Others to win.
This is my least preferred option. The Whispers have been heard without The Others showing up (you could argue that they just didn’t reveal themselves, but from what we know of them that wouldn’t make much sense). And that time when Harper showed up The Whispers sounded. If Harper could create The Whispers by choice then there seemed little purpose in using them at that moment, which convinces me she didn’t create them (but I’ll get on to why I think they were heard a little further down).
2: The Whispers and The Others have no connection. The Whispers are entirely independent of The Others. The Others attacking the Oceanic people is such an interesting, heightened event it increases the volume of the chatter amongst ‘the whisperers’ so they become audible. The inference here is that The Whispers are constantly chattering on the Island, it’s just moments of intense drama or attunement by an individual that allow them to be heard.
The idea that ‘the whisperers’ are always whispering, and it’s only in bursts that they can be heard is not one I will discount – but this is not my favoured explanation because it denies that The Others and The Whispers are linked.
3: The Whispers are a part of the Island that The Others have learned how to use to their advantage. They are a phenomena on the Island, or even OF the Island, and the link between The Others and The Whispers is purely down to The Others having learned enough about them to use them to their advantage.
If it helps, we can perhaps think of Ben’s apparent ‘summoning’ of the Black Smoke during The Shape Of Things To Come. I am of the belief that The Others, Ben included, do not control the Black Smoke. But Ben, at least, appears to have some understanding on how he can use it to his advantage when required. I believe The Whispers fall into the same category.
Right. OK. So probably you’re getting impatient now and wondering, What are they? Of course I don’t know, but the best guess based on evidence is they are voices of the dead.
We know that dead people on the Island aren’t entirely restricted to staying put. I can’t out and out call these manifestations ghosts in the strict sense that they are the corporeal spirit of a deceased body roaming the world – but somehow the entity of a dead person persists with people on the Island. Maybe they are genuine ghosts, or maybe they are the activated memories from within the living. (Note how no one sees ‘ghosts’ of people they don’t know!)
Perhaps The Whispers are a lesser level of this same effect. That’s what I think. The Whispers appeared, for example, when dead Libby turned up to confront Michael on The Freighter. When The Whispers are heard prior to Shannon being shot and killed, one of them remarks, “Hi, sis”. Was that Boone? Who else could it have been!? In the same ‘conversation’ of whispers one of the voices remarks, “Dying sucks.”
And there are other voices that talk of how they know what it’s like “for a plane to crash”, and they are also heard at what is arguably the epicentre of all the ghostly weirdness – Jacob’s Cabin. When Hurley goes there for the first time during The Beginning Of The End The Whispers are briefly heard. “You have to be believe it’s me, Nikki,” is one amongst them. Yeah. Nikki!
That these are ‘the whispers of the dead’ becomes hard to argue against. If these voices are from a ‘pool of the deceased’ (in whatever form that is on the Island) then it at least allows for The Duckett Voice problem to be reconciled. And, interestingly, at some stages The Whispers discuss the idea that they could reveal themselves to certain individuals (Sayid and Sawyer), but then don’t. Maybe the ones that do reveal themselves are the likes of, you know, Christian or Yemi. . .
So that’s the main point. The Whispers are an Island phenomena linked in to the dead being ‘alive’ (again, I cannot stress enough I am not strictly calling them ghosts!) and existing on the Island because of whatever strange power the Island withholds. The voices exist as a constant chatter (indeed, there are hidden voices buried in the show’s soundtrack when even The Whispers themselves aren’t even audible – incredible, don’t you think!?) on and around the Island in a kind of ‘lesser state’ than fully-fledged apparitions like Christian and Yemi and Libby.
“You can go now” if you like. This has been a long read, I know, and there are more than enough big ideas to try and wrap your head around. But, for those that don’t know the meaning of the word ‘enough’, let me just throw one last big idea at you in relation to The Others and The Whispers.
Whispers Through An Open Door
I mentioned previously about The Others perhaps having some means of harnessing The Whispers to use for their own ends. The main purpose we have witnessed, so far, is as a means of distracting an enemy to stage a surprise attack. But let’s think about that moment Harper appeared to Juliet during The Other Woman. There are whispers heard. Pop! Harper appears from nowhere. More whispers are head. Pop! Harper disappears into thin air.
Now really what I am talking about here is that The Whispers permeate all over the Island in another dimensional level. But I can understand why you might read that sentence and roll your eyes. So let me posit the idea as a large room, and within that room all ‘the whisperers’ exist; they chatter constantly, unheard and unseen by everyone else on the Island whilst they watch what’s happening and discuss it. And then someone opens the door. . .
With the door open, anyone outside on the Island can hear The Whispers as those in the room chatter. Then the door is closed and The Whispers are silenced. Now what if The Others know how to open the door? So when they are staging an attack they can open it up and let The Whispers be heard and then make a move. And furthermore, what if someone like Harper knows how to open the door, go inside, and walk out through another door that allows her to appear at a different point on the Island?
I’m mostly joking in the above image that suggests the fake door Sayid found is ‘The Door To The Whispering Room’! But you get what I am saying, right? That this room allows a person to pop up in space out of nowhere and disappear again. And the fact that The Whispers were heard prior to Harper appearing and then prior to her disappearing could be considered as basis for the principle that she simply opened the door, appeared, closed it behind her, then opened it again, disappeared, and closed it behind her. Sounds pretty crazy, I know. But guess what? Someone else who pops up in and out of thin air also did so when The Whispers were heard.
Suddenly this idea feels even more compelling. And, for sure, I probably don’t have it exactly right but I’ve got a feeling I am certainly on the right lines. The Whispers, and the whisperers, exist in a plain that’s beyond our earthly realm but it’s a realm that can be used for astral travel.
Of course, for some people the door doesn’t have to be open for The Whispers to be heard. If you’re alone in the jungle and you listen closely enough, maybe, just maybe, you’ll be able to hear the voices speaking amongst themselves. . .
“They were supposed to be The Others, lurking in the jungle. At that time we hadn’t yet settled on what The Others would be. . . I had imagined they were going to be more feral, gone native. . . I just didn’t imagine they were going to be spirit-gum, fake beard wearing, boat driving, faux hillbillies. . .”
I don’t know about you, but that made surprising reading. It’s a real poke in the eye for all those people that (foolishly) like to believe the Lost creators had the whole thing worked out from the start! But still, even if The Whispers were not fully worked out at first, it’s fair to say that the creators must have a firm idea of what they are now. Let’s hope so, and let’s get stuck in and see what we can make of them.
In the majority of incidences The Whispers take the form of a small group of ‘people’ talking amongst themselves about what is happening. For example, when Sawyer is hunting boar during Outlaws The Whispers mention, “I knew he was American,” and, “My guess is to shoot the pig.”
At a point where Sawyer pauses, listening, The Whispers say, “What did he see? / Nothing, he was following it.” There are other occasions, too. Just before Mr. Eko and Charlie see the Black Smoke, The Whispers say, “There’s Charlie.” When Jack is in the Hydra Station aquarium cell, prior to the intercom crackling into life, The Whispers mention, “Let him go free.”
So the take home point about The Whispers so far is that they are a small group of ‘people’, talking amongst themselves and discussing what’s happening as it happens. The commentating on current events is crucial, I think. For one thing it dispels the idea that they are voices from a previous timeline. The Whispers remark about what is happening – they are not captured voices being replayed; they are active, objective participants and can see what is going on. This is a consistent truth except for one nagging incident which I shall refer to as The Duckett Voice.
The Duckett Voice
The Whispers being active observers is true except for one troubling instance. During the episode Outlaws, amongst the chatter of the observers, a more familiar whisper is heard: Frank Duckett saying, “It’ll come back around.” Frank Duckett, as you may recall, was the man Sawyer mistakenly shot and killed, believing he was the “real Sawyer”, before he boarded Oceanic 815.
The identical whispered replay of “it’ll come back around” is certainly troublesome; it’s a Whisper that does not fit with the idea of a small group of talkers speaking amongst themselves. These are the last words of a dying man, captured and being replayed to Sawyer on the Island, amidst the ‘regular’ Whispers. Problematic, for sure. Given this all took place during Season One, I could argue that the explanation for The Whispers hadn’t been officially nailed down. This Duckett Voice anomaly may prove to be a pervasive inconsistency – a fly in the ointment, if you like – once the whole mystery is revealed.
I will try to incorporate ‘The Duckett Voice’ into my main conclusion towards the end but I wanted to isolate and identify it here to highlight how troubling an element it may be.
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So let’s set The Duckett Voice aside. Where were we? With the idea that The Whispers are a small group of voices chattering amongst themselves about events that are happening. OK. Let us not forget David Fury’s earlier remark, about The Whispers originally being The Others. We can be reasonably sure that’s not true, but The Others and The Whispers have on several occasions been intrinsically linked. Off the top of my head: at the pneumatic tube when Jack, Kate and Sawyer were stunned with electric shots by The Others; when Harper appeared to tell Juliet to go to The Tempest; The Others attacking Keamy and his men – all moments where The Whispers sounded as a precursor to an appearance by The Others.
And yet, troublingly, we’ve got instances where The Whispers appear without The Others. Like Sayid and Sawyer alone in the jungle, for example. I get to three conclusions about The Whispers from this (in order of least preferred):
1: The Others create The Whispers / The Others are The Whisperers. The Others are entirely responsible for them. They use them as a means of confusing those they wish to attack, such as Keamy and his men. It panics their prey and confuses them, allowing The Others to win.
This is my least preferred option. The Whispers have been heard without The Others showing up (you could argue that they just didn’t reveal themselves, but from what we know of them that wouldn’t make much sense). And that time when Harper showed up The Whispers sounded. If Harper could create The Whispers by choice then there seemed little purpose in using them at that moment, which convinces me she didn’t create them (but I’ll get on to why I think they were heard a little further down).
2: The Whispers and The Others have no connection. The Whispers are entirely independent of The Others. The Others attacking the Oceanic people is such an interesting, heightened event it increases the volume of the chatter amongst ‘the whisperers’ so they become audible. The inference here is that The Whispers are constantly chattering on the Island, it’s just moments of intense drama or attunement by an individual that allow them to be heard.
The idea that ‘the whisperers’ are always whispering, and it’s only in bursts that they can be heard is not one I will discount – but this is not my favoured explanation because it denies that The Others and The Whispers are linked.
3: The Whispers are a part of the Island that The Others have learned how to use to their advantage. They are a phenomena on the Island, or even OF the Island, and the link between The Others and The Whispers is purely down to The Others having learned enough about them to use them to their advantage.
If it helps, we can perhaps think of Ben’s apparent ‘summoning’ of the Black Smoke during The Shape Of Things To Come. I am of the belief that The Others, Ben included, do not control the Black Smoke. But Ben, at least, appears to have some understanding on how he can use it to his advantage when required. I believe The Whispers fall into the same category.
Right. OK. So probably you’re getting impatient now and wondering, What are they? Of course I don’t know, but the best guess based on evidence is they are voices of the dead.
We know that dead people on the Island aren’t entirely restricted to staying put. I can’t out and out call these manifestations ghosts in the strict sense that they are the corporeal spirit of a deceased body roaming the world – but somehow the entity of a dead person persists with people on the Island. Maybe they are genuine ghosts, or maybe they are the activated memories from within the living. (Note how no one sees ‘ghosts’ of people they don’t know!)
Perhaps The Whispers are a lesser level of this same effect. That’s what I think. The Whispers appeared, for example, when dead Libby turned up to confront Michael on The Freighter. When The Whispers are heard prior to Shannon being shot and killed, one of them remarks, “Hi, sis”. Was that Boone? Who else could it have been!? In the same ‘conversation’ of whispers one of the voices remarks, “Dying sucks.”
And there are other voices that talk of how they know what it’s like “for a plane to crash”, and they are also heard at what is arguably the epicentre of all the ghostly weirdness – Jacob’s Cabin. When Hurley goes there for the first time during The Beginning Of The End The Whispers are briefly heard. “You have to be believe it’s me, Nikki,” is one amongst them. Yeah. Nikki!
That these are ‘the whispers of the dead’ becomes hard to argue against. If these voices are from a ‘pool of the deceased’ (in whatever form that is on the Island) then it at least allows for The Duckett Voice problem to be reconciled. And, interestingly, at some stages The Whispers discuss the idea that they could reveal themselves to certain individuals (Sayid and Sawyer), but then don’t. Maybe the ones that do reveal themselves are the likes of, you know, Christian or Yemi. . .
So that’s the main point. The Whispers are an Island phenomena linked in to the dead being ‘alive’ (again, I cannot stress enough I am not strictly calling them ghosts!) and existing on the Island because of whatever strange power the Island withholds. The voices exist as a constant chatter (indeed, there are hidden voices buried in the show’s soundtrack when even The Whispers themselves aren’t even audible – incredible, don’t you think!?) on and around the Island in a kind of ‘lesser state’ than fully-fledged apparitions like Christian and Yemi and Libby.
“You can go now” if you like. This has been a long read, I know, and there are more than enough big ideas to try and wrap your head around. But, for those that don’t know the meaning of the word ‘enough’, let me just throw one last big idea at you in relation to The Others and The Whispers.
Whispers Through An Open Door
I mentioned previously about The Others perhaps having some means of harnessing The Whispers to use for their own ends. The main purpose we have witnessed, so far, is as a means of distracting an enemy to stage a surprise attack. But let’s think about that moment Harper appeared to Juliet during The Other Woman. There are whispers heard. Pop! Harper appears from nowhere. More whispers are head. Pop! Harper disappears into thin air.
Now really what I am talking about here is that The Whispers permeate all over the Island in another dimensional level. But I can understand why you might read that sentence and roll your eyes. So let me posit the idea as a large room, and within that room all ‘the whisperers’ exist; they chatter constantly, unheard and unseen by everyone else on the Island whilst they watch what’s happening and discuss it. And then someone opens the door. . .
With the door open, anyone outside on the Island can hear The Whispers as those in the room chatter. Then the door is closed and The Whispers are silenced. Now what if The Others know how to open the door? So when they are staging an attack they can open it up and let The Whispers be heard and then make a move. And furthermore, what if someone like Harper knows how to open the door, go inside, and walk out through another door that allows her to appear at a different point on the Island?
I’m mostly joking in the above image that suggests the fake door Sayid found is ‘The Door To The Whispering Room’! But you get what I am saying, right? That this room allows a person to pop up in space out of nowhere and disappear again. And the fact that The Whispers were heard prior to Harper appearing and then prior to her disappearing could be considered as basis for the principle that she simply opened the door, appeared, closed it behind her, then opened it again, disappeared, and closed it behind her. Sounds pretty crazy, I know. But guess what? Someone else who pops up in and out of thin air also did so when The Whispers were heard.
Suddenly this idea feels even more compelling. And, for sure, I probably don’t have it exactly right but I’ve got a feeling I am certainly on the right lines. The Whispers, and the whisperers, exist in a plain that’s beyond our earthly realm but it’s a realm that can be used for astral travel.
Of course, for some people the door doesn’t have to be open for The Whispers to be heard. If you’re alone in the jungle and you listen closely enough, maybe, just maybe, you’ll be able to hear the voices speaking amongst themselves. . .
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Re: The Whispers
by Irocz28 Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:44 pm
Very good read AC. Due to the fact that time is becoming such a factor in Lost, what do you think about the idea that the whispers are voices coming from a different time on the island? Same place, but different time? I know there are many holes, but I think that would be a cool explanation.
Also, where did you find out what the whispers were saying?
Also, where did you find out what the whispers were saying?
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Re: The Whispers
by CosmicJewels Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:54 pm
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Whisper_transcripts
You can read transcipts of the whispers at lostpedia.
You can read transcipts of the whispers at lostpedia.
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Re: The Whispers
by AngeloComet Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:33 pm
Cheers, Cosmic.
The original full-length version of this featured the link (you can see it over at my blog, folks!) - but I had to take that and some other bits and pieces out because it was too big to post otherwise.
Iroc - You mean, like, a kind of echo effect? I struggle with that idea, mainly because of the active participation the voices appear to have with what events are occurring at the time.
It's like the whispers have to be THERE and THEN to be able to remark and potentially communicate with, say, Sawyer or Sayid or whoever else is present whilst they chatter.
The original full-length version of this featured the link (you can see it over at my blog, folks!) - but I had to take that and some other bits and pieces out because it was too big to post otherwise.
Iroc - You mean, like, a kind of echo effect? I struggle with that idea, mainly because of the active participation the voices appear to have with what events are occurring at the time.
It's like the whispers have to be THERE and THEN to be able to remark and potentially communicate with, say, Sawyer or Sayid or whoever else is present whilst they chatter.
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Re: The Whispers
by Irocz28 Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:45 pm
That is true and, like I said, that is probably the biggest hole in that concept. It does seem like some of the whispers are directed towards the character in the scene. That being said I do like your #3 explanation.
I also like your "open door" idea. I noticed on Lostpedia that one of the whispers actually says "open the door".
I also like your "open door" idea. I noticed on Lostpedia that one of the whispers actually says "open the door".
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Re: The Whispers
by dabiatchishere Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:43 am
You have covered all aspects of the whispers, quite nicely! Considering the final part of your theory encompasses other dimensional levels, it certainly makes all aspects of the "whispers" you have suggested quite plausible when you think about it.
"The Duckett" mystery is also explainable by this concept, as his spirit could be present on "the island", given the extreme circumstances of his death and the fact it was Sawyer who killed him. Christian did NOT die on "the island", and is seen and heard both on and off of "the island". Both Charlie and Libby have also appeared off of "the island" as well, yet they died there. It is all part of interdimensional travel.
Something which strikes me as plausible about the "whispers" showing up just prior to imminent danger is this, (although I haven't officially explored all of the dynamics). Extreme human emotions, such as fear, create very strong energy fields. Perhaps this is why the "whispers" are more legibly heard during these occurences, as the energy fields are magnified.
I think you have done a brilliant job, and am thrilled to see you write about this subject, and to have done so, quite successfully.
"The Duckett" mystery is also explainable by this concept, as his spirit could be present on "the island", given the extreme circumstances of his death and the fact it was Sawyer who killed him. Christian did NOT die on "the island", and is seen and heard both on and off of "the island". Both Charlie and Libby have also appeared off of "the island" as well, yet they died there. It is all part of interdimensional travel.
Something which strikes me as plausible about the "whispers" showing up just prior to imminent danger is this, (although I haven't officially explored all of the dynamics). Extreme human emotions, such as fear, create very strong energy fields. Perhaps this is why the "whispers" are more legibly heard during these occurences, as the energy fields are magnified.
I think you have done a brilliant job, and am thrilled to see you write about this subject, and to have done so, quite successfully.
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Re: The Whispers
by vincentthedog Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:11 pm
Mind blowing as always AC!
I like the open door explanation the best, it fits with the show I think. It also makes sense that the dead are observing as this is also a theme of the show. Excellent job!
I like the open door explanation the best, it fits with the show I think. It also makes sense that the dead are observing as this is also a theme of the show. Excellent job!
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Re: The Whispers
by StitchExp626 Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:24 am
AC, very entertaining theory. Those whispers are pretty chilling and creepy!
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Re: The Whispers
by John_Vee Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:23 am
I was always under the impression that the whispers came from a third party, Not the others. But now the idea of an open door, hole or even a parelell world seems to emulate from my own deeper thoughts on the matter (or Anti-matter) if you prefer another concept. Just a final thought .Is it possible that polar bears could whisper...
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Re: The Whispers
by AngeloComet Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:45 am
Polar bears do whisper. You can see the transcripts here:
http://lostswhisperingbears.blogspot.com/
Mostly they just grumble about how hot they are and how all the good fishbiscuits are on Hydra Island.
http://lostswhisperingbears.blogspot.com/
Mostly they just grumble about how hot they are and how all the good fishbiscuits are on Hydra Island.
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Re: The Whispers
by wtfsignmeup Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:14 am
Great post AC. Just love it, and your conclusions.
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Re: The Whispers
by TheHolyStickman Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:21 pm
A good post AC, you covered all the aspects of the whispers like Dab said. I had always thought that, instead of the door opening so that Harper could get to Juliet, the door opened because of Harper moving around the island. In effect the whispers become audible whenever something supernatural happens. But I liked your explanation too. It did seema little far-fetched at first but as I thought about it more I can see how it all fits together.
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Re: The Whispers
by retroactiveman Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:28 pm
Just a question: has more than one person heard the same whispers at the same time?
Off hand, I can't recall the tube scene in the finale for season 2; but it seems that the whispers seem to attack when a lostie is alone, either making the lostie anxious or reflecting the losties anxiety. (Also making the viewer (me or you) anxious.)
Angelo, you begin your post by mentioning that a writer wrote the whispers. Possibly the whispers are for us. There have been other instances of speech used in the show, where the speech is overtly artificial, meaning that there is no way that the hearer of the speech could understand what the speaker said. An example of this is the backwards speech of the wild looking man outside the courthouse who yelled "We hate you too" at Kate. Not only could the listener not understand what was said, but it would be difficult to actually utter the backwards speech, the speech likely being said normal but added in reverse after filming.
Point, there may be no official explanation for backwards speech; or the explanation might not be explainable by the lost universe. The whispers could well be the subjective experience of the lostie shared with the viewer, adding to the anxiety of all involved.
Off hand, I can't recall the tube scene in the finale for season 2; but it seems that the whispers seem to attack when a lostie is alone, either making the lostie anxious or reflecting the losties anxiety. (Also making the viewer (me or you) anxious.)
Angelo, you begin your post by mentioning that a writer wrote the whispers. Possibly the whispers are for us. There have been other instances of speech used in the show, where the speech is overtly artificial, meaning that there is no way that the hearer of the speech could understand what the speaker said. An example of this is the backwards speech of the wild looking man outside the courthouse who yelled "We hate you too" at Kate. Not only could the listener not understand what was said, but it would be difficult to actually utter the backwards speech, the speech likely being said normal but added in reverse after filming.
Point, there may be no official explanation for backwards speech; or the explanation might not be explainable by the lost universe. The whispers could well be the subjective experience of the lostie shared with the viewer, adding to the anxiety of all involved.
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Re: The Whispers
by TheHolyStickman Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:06 pm
Because these Whispers are heard backwards and sometimes mixed in with other conversations, would you agree that this was because when they come through the 'door'they are jumbled as they pass into our (as much as I hate to use the word) dimension?
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Re: The Whispers
by AngeloComet Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:21 pm
Retro asked: "Has more than one person heard the same whispers at the same time?"
The 'tube scene' you mentioned is one such instance, at the end of Season 2. It's when Michael is leading Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley to The Others. They all hear 'the whispers' at that moment, and then The Others attack.
Similarly Jack and Juliet both hear The Whispers prior to Harper's appearance. And in the Season 4 finale Keamy, his men, and Kate and anyone else by the helicopter all heard those whispers before The Others attacked once more.
So, in short, yes, there have beem multiple 'hearers' of The Whispers on more than one occasion.
I should clarify that David Fury, mentioned above, wrote the episode Solitary. It was the episode that featured The Whispers. I don't know who wrote the actual content of The Whispers themselves; Fury just had an idea of what he thought The Whispers were but it has since changed. That was the only point I was making by mentioning him.
I have no idea who is responsible for The Whispers, their content and their insertion into the show - in a similar vein to how I don't know who does the reverse speech and some of the embedded voices in the soundtrack. I'd like to, though! How much input and information and they have to the show would be mighty interesting!
The 'tube scene' you mentioned is one such instance, at the end of Season 2. It's when Michael is leading Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley to The Others. They all hear 'the whispers' at that moment, and then The Others attack.
Similarly Jack and Juliet both hear The Whispers prior to Harper's appearance. And in the Season 4 finale Keamy, his men, and Kate and anyone else by the helicopter all heard those whispers before The Others attacked once more.
So, in short, yes, there have beem multiple 'hearers' of The Whispers on more than one occasion.
I should clarify that David Fury, mentioned above, wrote the episode Solitary. It was the episode that featured The Whispers. I don't know who wrote the actual content of The Whispers themselves; Fury just had an idea of what he thought The Whispers were but it has since changed. That was the only point I was making by mentioning him.
I have no idea who is responsible for The Whispers, their content and their insertion into the show - in a similar vein to how I don't know who does the reverse speech and some of the embedded voices in the soundtrack. I'd like to, though! How much input and information and they have to the show would be mighty interesting!
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Re: The Whispers
by Annie79 Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:55 am
Angelo, it's been a while since I've had the chance to comment on one of your theories! I love your take on the 'Whispers' and agree completely! I particularly liked the idea of the 'door'.
Interesting read and excellent work, as usual!
Interesting read and excellent work, as usual!
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Re: The Whispers
by retroactiveman Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:47 am
Writer(s) inserted the whispers, writers inserted the backwards speech. To access the whispers and to understand what they relate requires rewind and pause buttons. Their content is not for the characters on the show, it is a breaking down of the wall between the audience and the show, allowing for participation. The whispers are for us. Your analysis is ultimately plot driven. By trying to reduce show phenomenon to the plot line you may be lost.
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Re: The Whispers
by AngeloComet Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:28 am
Retro, I see what you're saying - but I think the 'whispers' you're discussing (such as the "we hate you" voice) are not in the same bracket as The Whispers I am discussing.
The Whispers here, the ones on the Island that have a direct influence over how characters react (and therefore are correlatory to plot), are my main subject.
Those 'other whispers', I agree, are not easy to shoe-in to plot purposes. I haven't even tried.
The Whispers here, the ones on the Island that have a direct influence over how characters react (and therefore are correlatory to plot), are my main subject.
Those 'other whispers', I agree, are not easy to shoe-in to plot purposes. I haven't even tried.
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Re: The Whispers
by MyStarbuckHatesLost Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:42 am
I've always kinda felt (and stop me if you think I'm insane) that the whispers are the personalities (souls, minds, conciousness' or whatever other term you can inject here) of people "imprinted" in the energy field of the island.
whether that field is magnetic, tachyonic or some other unknown energy, it seems to me that people leave impressions of themselves by interacting with the island and those impressions manifest themselves at various times.
perhaps stressful situations open people's abilities to hear the voices.
if this makes any sense I will be surprised.
Good read AC and Your BSG blog: still a real pleasure to read.
whether that field is magnetic, tachyonic or some other unknown energy, it seems to me that people leave impressions of themselves by interacting with the island and those impressions manifest themselves at various times.
perhaps stressful situations open people's abilities to hear the voices.
if this makes any sense I will be surprised.
Good read AC and Your BSG blog: still a real pleasure to read.
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Re: The Whispers
by AngeloComet Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:35 pm
MSHL - if the whispers weren't responding to the events around them, I'd say you could have had a case.
The fact that they seem 'live', and potentially viable to interact, stops that train of thought for me.
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The fact that they seem 'live', and potentially viable to interact, stops that train of thought for me.
Re: BSG blog - thank you very much. (Luckily it's still proving a pleasure to watch!)
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Re: The Whispers
by MollyCocktail Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:38 pm
I'm thinking that the whispers are similar to if not the same as the whispers heard on board the Enterprise in the episode "Cause and Effect".
They are a direct result of time loop.
I find it most interesting that the whispers are heard just before someone dies or encounters trouble. When the survivors finally realize that they are in a time loop, perhaps they will be able to use these whispers to change the verdict on some things.
They are a direct result of time loop.
I find it most interesting that the whispers are heard just before someone dies or encounters trouble. When the survivors finally realize that they are in a time loop, perhaps they will be able to use these whispers to change the verdict on some things.
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Re: The Whispers
by AngeloComet Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:12 pm
Molly - the content of the whispers doesn't indicate any such 'echo' of previous iterations of a time loop.
And, to risk belabouring the point, the whispers are live. They comment on what is happening. They respond to what they see in some cases, and in other cases discuss revealing themselves to whoever is present. For me, that's a staggering concept and integral to what The Whispers are all about.
And, to risk belabouring the point, the whispers are live. They comment on what is happening. They respond to what they see in some cases, and in other cases discuss revealing themselves to whoever is present. For me, that's a staggering concept and integral to what The Whispers are all about.
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Re: The Whispers
by TheHolyStickman Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:46 am
retroactiveman wrote:Writer(s) inserted the whispers, writers inserted the backwards speech. To access the whispers and to understand what they relate requires rewind and pause buttons. Their content is not for the characters on the show, it is a breaking down of the wall between the audience and the show, allowing for participation. The whispers are for us. Your analysis is ultimately plot driven. By trying to reduce show phenomenon to the plot line you may be lost.
The Whispers are meant for the characters. They are just not meant to hear them properley. Whether it is by accident or intention that they are heard backwards and mixed it makes no difference. They are meant, just like any other aspect of the show, to influence the characters and change their actions. The Whispers for example make our characters feel scared and nervous, what they don't know is the more important part which is what they are actually saying. It is up to us to reverse and change the whispers so they are audible and understandable.
You say that the whispers are only meant for us, but most of what they say is irellevent.(sp?) They have occoured in the show far to often to simply be outlets of information to us. In my opinion, they will be woven into the storyline and will have a purpose on the show.
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P.S. Sorry for arguing against you Retro, I'm just in that sort of mood. And I need to get it out.
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Re: The Whispers
by retroactiveman Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:53 am
Hey no need to be sorry. I'd rather be argued with than ignored. Problem is though, I dont see the argument. You have valid points. In fact I dont see anything different between what I said and what you said. Without doubt, the losties hear the whispering, but the content of the whispers in inaccessible. As Lostpedia points out the whispers "are not random noises, but actual speech and can be decoded using audio software." As you say "It is up to us to decode". Maybe in the upcoming seasons, when the losties are moving through the jungle, somebody from the "future" can contact them in the past, and maybe pass along some special decoding software so that they can break down the whispers, analyze and act accordingly.
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